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    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...rent-1.5810230


    Landlords say poor tenants who received CERB can't make rent after losing social assistance


    Ottawa doesn't support provinces that claw back benefits, calling it 'unfair'

    Bonnie Allen · CBC News · Posted: Nov 22, 2020


    Landlords in Saskatchewan say they are in a "morally tough spot," forced to choose between evicting tenants whose social assistance payments have been clawed back during the COVID-19 pandemic and forgoing rental income they rely on.

    Tenants who normally pay rent with the help of provincial income support or disability benefits saw those payments reduced or cut off because they collected the federal Canada emergency response benefit (CERB) when they weren't entitled to the money and have found themselves falling behind on rent.

    "Landlords then have no rental income for those few months and, ultimately, are forced to evict those tenants who haven't paid rent," said Cameron Choquette, executive officer of the Saskatchewan Landlord Association.

    Most provinces instituted a ban on non-urgent evictions in the first months of the pandemic, but those have since been lifted. In Saskatchewan, landlords have filed more than 1,000 eviction applications to the Office of Residential Tenancies since Aug. 4 to get a sheriff to remove tenants, but there's no tracking system to measure how many tenants simply complied with a vacate request or how many were related to lack of government assistance.

    While rent shortfalls normally pit landlords against tenants, Choquette is assigning blame to the provincial government for creating a systemic problem.

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    "It puts us in a very morally tough spot," Choquette said.

    "Those conversations are hard to have with families who really applied for those CERB benefits in hopes of getting a leg up and were really taken off at the knees because the provincial programs are now clawing back those income assistance dollars."

    People, he said, are "left without housing, without food and shelter, in what will be a cold and snowy winter."

    Provinces have own policies on clawbacks

    The federal CERB program, which is now over, provided temporary income support for people who had lost work due to COVID-19, paying out $500 a week for up to 16 weeks. Canadians who had earned more than $5,000 in the previous 12 months were eligible to apply, but applicants weren't required to provide any proof that they had been laid off or lost their jobs due to the pandemic.

    The program paid out about $80 billion in benefits to nearly nine million people before winding down in September.

    Some people on disability benefits who have low-paying jobs were eligible for CERB, but others weren't. In some cases, people switched from provincial assistance to the higher-paying CERB, while in others, they collected both — what's known as "double-dipping."

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    The consequences depend on where they live in Canada.

    Saskatchewan and most Atlantic provinces decided to cut off provincial assistance or claw back payments dollar-for-dollar by the amount recipients got from CERB. Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec instituted partial clawbacks, while British Columbia, the Northwest Territories and Yukon allowed people to keep both provincial and federal benefits.

    Shane Simpson, at the time B.C.'s minister of social development and poverty reduction, said in an April 2 news release that it was a way to "complement the federal crisis measures to support our most vulnerable populations and ensure they do not fall deeper into poverty as a result of COVID-19."

    The office of federal Employment Minister Carla Qualtrough, who was in charge of CERB, said it's always been her position that clawing back provincial assistance is "unfair" and that provinces and territories should not penalize emergency income assistance recipients.

    Qualtrough "has advocated strongly for provinces and territories to allow federal emergency COVID-19 income measures and benefits to complement provincial supports," spokesperson Marielle Hossack said in an email to CBC News.

    Broke and homeless

    Dorie Arnold, 43, is one of those who lost her provincial income support after she got CERB.

    The Regina resident says she's broke, homeless and worse off now than before she started receiving the federal assistance.

    Arnold was evicted from her two-bedroom rental suite in north central Regina after failing to pay rent of $800 a month for three months. Her landlord also put plywood over the door to her unit.

    Until recently, she had always had enough money to make rent despite struggling to scrape by on roughly $1,200 a month in provincial income and disability assistance. She has chronic health issues and hasn't been able to work in years.

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    Things began to spiral downward in July when she got a tip about CERB from a stranger in the parking lot of a Tim Hortons.

    "Some lady came up to my mom and asked if we were collecting the COVID money, and we were like, 'No, we never heard of it,'" Arnold said. "She said it's free money that's given to the low-income families to survive while the COVID's out."

    That wasn't accurate, and Arnold should not have qualified for CERB payments. She said no one explained the criteria to her — or the consequences.

    "One phone call, and give your social insurance [number] and then boom, you get $2,000. That's how easy it was," she said of the CERB process.

    Arnold said a cockroach infestation in her apartment was so "disgusting" that she used most of her CERB money — $4,000 in total — to replace her furniture and blankets, and she then provided receipts to her provincial social worker to prove it.

    Social Services had always paid her rent directly to the landlord, she said, so it wasn't until the end of August that she realized she was behind in rent and she'd been cut off provincial assistance.

    "It just started getting more difficult, not figuring out how I was going to pay [rent]. Where I was going to go," Arnold said.

    Saskatchewan government defends move

    The Saskatchewan government maintains CERB was for people who lost wages, not for welfare recipients. If social workers discovered early that a person had applied for the benefit, their provincial assistance was cut off and they were told to reapply in 60 days. But if someone collected both federal and provincial money at the same time and was later caught, Social Services worked out a long-term payback schedule for the CERB money that includes reductions for months to come.

    Paul Merriman, the former social services minister for Saskatchewan who is now health minister, told CBC Morning Edition in September that he doesn't think the clawback is "mean-spirited."

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    "We're not punishing them," Merriman said. "Our [provincial] programs are a program of last resort, and they should be utilized like that. If somebody is not reporting their income to us or a change of circumstances, then they are in violation of the terms of the contract we have with them."

    Merriman said anyone who collected CERB from Ottawa and disability support from the province "could have been receiving up to $3,600 a month for four months. That's a considerable amount of money."

    Every dollar counts

    Peter Gilmer of the Regina Anti-Poverty Ministry, which advocates for low-income families, said he's troubled that the Saskatchewan government is clawing back social assistance payments when it didn't cost the province anything for people to collect federal CERB money.

    "We do see this as the province saving money on the backs of the poorest people in the province," Gilmer said.

    "They clawed it back 100 per cent. It ended up really being a federal transfer to the province where they made a savings on the CERB monies as opposed to it being a real benefit for people on provincial income assistance programs who really needed it. I think it's really disturbing."

    Shawn Schlechter, owner of Shawn's Property Management, which oversees 550 rental properties in Regina, said he's had to reduce rent or work out payment plans for tenants who are feeling the pinch from lower social assistance payments.

    Most are still receiving enough provincial assistance to cover their rent or most of it, he said, and he's been told small reductions will be made for months from the living allowance portion of welfare payments.

    "It's sad because that $50 they lose each month can make a big difference for a single mother," he said.

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    Dorie Arnold, who was cut off entirely, hasn't had any money coming in for months.

    In October, she found food and shelter in Regina's Pasqua Hospital after an untreated finger wound developed a serious infection. She spent seven weeks in hospital and got released on Thursday.

    She has an appointment with Social Services next week, and she hopes she can get back on provincial income assistance.

    Until then, she'll couch surf and rely on the kindness of family and friends to survive.
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    Warning! some sarcasm, dry humor, playful banter and more may or may not be involved in my postings. Please read anything I have written as being said in the most joyful and happy voice you can imagine.

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    Before they got moved to a different part of the building, I was next to people taking CERB calls.
    One clerk got angry as you could hear the person who called in crying from the earpiece and said "You knew you didn't qualify, now you're upset you got caught stealing from the government, from all the other taxpayers. Why are you upset? THEY should be upset!" ..... Apparently Ontario is one of the very few provinces who, if you are caught with fraudulent CERB, will let you stay on social assistance. Others (rightfully) kick you off.

    The story spun by Dorie smells like typical Canadian bull$#it... hear bad information from another uninformed person, and instead of looking into something that is obviously too good to be true, just accept it as gospel and then whine to the media because you made stupid choices and now your actions are being consequence'd.

    What really burns people who work for a living is that the government *knew* ineligible people were applying and the clerks were told to just push everything through and `we'll deal with it later` and the order supposedly(key word) came from the PM's office .... typical government reactionary actions Here's hoping Sunnways McFvkface gets his trust-funds depleted in the Great Reset and Wealth Redistribution schemes

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1917 Enfield View Post
    Puke.
    "It is an absolute truism that law-abiding, armed citizens pose no threat to other law-abiding citizens."

    Ammo, camo and things that go "blammo".

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    Debt forgiveness is certainly possible, the price however is your life as you knew it.
    Well sir in exchange for your debt we expect you to live a life of servitude to our great leader as you will be forever in his debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M1917 Enfield View Post
    As Jagmeet Singh once said, "he says lots of pretty words" but all he's done is the same as every other politician in power. He and his buddies got richer, while the common peoplefolk got poorer. What he is doing that's different from the previous politicians is increasing the rate at which the wealth transfer is happening.
    Pump actions speak louder than words

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    Quote Originally Posted by infidel29 View Post
    As Jagmeet Singh once said, "he says lots of pretty words" but all he's done is the same as every other politician in power. He and his buddies got richer, while the common peoplefolk got poorer. What he is doing that's different from the previous politicians is increasing the rate at which the wealth transfer is happening.
    Yeah, but try explaining that to seven out of ten adoring Canadian sheeple who think he is currently doing a real good job and besides they will tell you he is still much better than the last conservative PM!
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    Come tax time next year people who received CURB payments will be on the hook for the taxes.
    That will be close to 25% of what they received. To a lot of people if not most it will be a big problem.
    CRA is ruthless when it comes to collecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infidel29 View Post
    As Jagmeet Singh once said, "he says lots of pretty words" but all he's done is the same as every other politician in power. He and his buddies got richer, while the common peoplefolk got poorer. What he is doing that's different from the previous politicians is increasing the rate at which the wealth transfer is happening.
    Yet he still props up the Gov't of that festering bag of shit.
    "It is an absolute truism that law-abiding, armed citizens pose no threat to other law-abiding citizens."

    Ammo, camo and things that go "blammo".

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    If you owe money today,,, and run up some more debt,,, you will owe even more tomorrow,,,

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