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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    Seems to me that O'Toole will let the 2020 Liberal OIC ban run its course under a prospective CPC administration.
    Hopefully someone with up to date accurate information will chime in and clarify this issue.
    I'd be glad to. To clarify, O'Toole said he'd let an a-political review of the entire classification system run its course, not let the OIC run its course. You really think the CPC are going to be collecting and "buying back" rifles? Really? You know the old saying about a bridge in Brooklyn.

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    Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole vows to ...


    Politicians lie.

    Believe what they say, and you can expect to be disappointed.

    If we get a CPC government, his actions will tell us the truth.
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLW .45 View Post
    Politicians lie.

    Believe what they say, and you can expect to be disappointed.

    If we get a CPC government, his actions will tell us the truth.
    well lies got us where we are today

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    Quote Originally Posted by IJ22 View Post
    Uh, Gerald, your party calls the AR15 sporting rifle a military style assault rifle.
    Your party calls a bolt action precision rifle a military style assault rifle.
    Your party calls an upland shotgun a military style assault rifle.
    Your party calls a ceremonial canon a military style assault rifle.
    Your party calls a marine emergency distress flare a military style assault rifle.
    You're in no position to ask how anyone gets anything wrong.

    Anyone who twits please feel free to copy and twit.
    Twitter is for twits (mostly). 100% agree, those guys have made careers out of lying. Firearm rights are just one among a long list of topics they blatantly lie and misinform about, with no scruples or remorse.
    Proud NFA, CCFR, CSSA, and NRA member. Hunter, Sports Shooter, Reloading Enthusiast. Conservative. Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joe6167 View Post
    Read the clarification in post #6 before freaking out…KM.

    And the clarification TO the clarification, in post #61? Reposted here (Joe)



    Conservative Leader Erin O’Toole vows to keep Liberal ban on assault-style firearms
    September 3, 2021
    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...penalties-for/

    Conservative leader Erin O’Toole promised Friday to maintain a ban on assault-style firearms, a move that could anger many of his party’s supporters.

    In May last year, the Liberals banned some 1,500 firearm models, including the popular AR-15 rifle and the Ruger Mini-14 used to kill 14 women at Montreal’s Ecole polytechnique in 1989. It means they cannot be legally used, sold or imported.

    The Conservative election platform says the party would scrap the order-in-council that banned the wide variety of guns and review the Firearms Act with input from police, gun owners, manufacturers and the public.

    But O’Toole, who has previously spoken out against the ban, including during his run for the Conservative leadership last year, told reporters in Montreal on Friday: “We will maintain the ban on assault weapons.”

    The Conservative leader first said during a French-language debate on Thursday that the Conservatives would not repeal the Liberal ban.

    O’Toole did not respond directly Friday to a question about what he would tell Conservative supporters opposed to the ban, saying: “Canada has an effective system of screening, training and licensing for people that are hunters and are sport shooters.”

    He instead went on to tout his party’s plan to crack down on gangs and gun smuggling.

    That includes making it easier for prosecutors to prove that people accused of crimes are members of criminal organizations, and making it harder for accused people who have previously been convicted of crimes linked to criminal organizations to get bail.

    The Conservatives are also promising to impose mandatory minimum sentences on some gun smugglers and people convicted of firearm crimes previously found guilty of another offence involving a gun.

    O’Toole said he would work with the private sector to create programs to help people leave street gangs. “I will focus resources on where it keeps communities safe and stop this process of dividing Canadians.”
    The simple defense of law-abiding gun owners from over-zealous, gun-confiscating, power hungry liberals is my line in the sand for political support. Erin failed to fight back, even after being provided with proven themes Canadians agree with - jail the bad guys, arm the responsible good guys. He failed at every basic level that conservatives have fought for decades. We seemed to be getting far with the Conservative Party having just recently taken "gun control" out of the policy book - then he sets us back to stone age. He made no electoral gains with his back-tracking. This is a lesson for would be red-tories - small-l liberals would rather vote for big L liberals rather than the diet coke you're offering up. Conservatives might not win the GTA on the gun issue, but at least we'll keep the base intact to fight another day. The failure to win the GTA is not because of guns. It is because of Erin's inability to fight-back on any major issue. This doofus actually failed to counter the liberals saying they would help with housing in the GTA after 5 years of run-away prices. The GTA can be won if Conservatives fight-back and stop turtling on wedge issues.

    To win in the GTA, repeat after me for the next couple years until the next election:
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.

    Here's to hoping Pierre wants the job. I thought I'd post the latest CPC policy as a reminder of what we all voted the policy be, not what Erin wants:
    106. Firearms
    A Conservative Government is committed to cost-effective gun control programs designed to keep
    guns out of the hands of criminals while respecting the rights of law-abiding Canadians to own and use
    firearms responsibly.
    Measures will include: mandatory minimum sentences for the criminal use of firearms; strict monitoring
    of high-risk individuals; increased enforcement and prosecution of smuggling; safe storage provisions;
    firearms safety training; a certification screening system for all those wishing to acquire firearms
    legally; and putting more law enforcement officers on our streets.
    We recognize the legitimacy of private ownership of firearms and will resist any domestic or
    international pressure to the contrary.
    A Conservative Government will not deprive Canadian Citizens of legally owned firearms.
    A Conservative Government recognizes that civilian firearms ownership is a Canadian Heritage.
    A Conservative Government would streamline Firearms classification by adopting the Simplified
    Classification System.
    A Conservative government would order a review of firearms related laws to identify parts of those
    Acts that have no public safety value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newshooter View Post
    Erin failed to fight back, even after being provided with proven themes Canadians agree with - jail the bad guys, arm the responsible good guys.
    Sorry, but that's inaccurate. Canadians don't want to jail bad guys, nor do they want good guys to have guns. If they did, we'd hear about it. Instead, they want to reform bad guys and they want guns in the hands of police and soldiers.

    He failed at every basic level that conservatives have fought for decades.
    Some might argue that he was succeeding at making the left believe that conservatives aren't all sexist, chauvinistic, racist, Bible thumping bigots. They might also argue that he was doing what was necessary to show Canadians that CPC is not synonymous with Harper or Trump.

    We seemed to be getting far with the Conservative Party having just recently taken "gun control" out of the policy book - then he sets us back to stone age.
    You seem to have misinterpreted the CPC's plan for firearms legislation, as many have. I too was (and still am to a degree) disappointed with the apparent flip-flop. But the strategy was sound, if you understood it.

    He made no electoral gains with his back-tracking. This is a lesson for would be red-tories - small-l liberals would rather vote for big L liberals rather than the diet coke you're offering up.
    This is true. But that's because the CPC failed at showing Canadians the incompetence and corruption of the Liberals. They played too nicely. They should have been airing all of the candidates' dirty laundry.

    Conservatives might not win the GTA on the gun issue, but at least we'll keep the base intact to fight another day. The failure to win the GTA is not because of guns. It is because of Erin's inability to fight-back on any major issue. This doofus actually failed to counter the liberals saying they would help with housing in the GTA after 5 years of run-away prices. The GTA can be won if Conservatives fight-back and stop turtling on wedge issues.

    To win in the GTA, repeat after me for the next couple years until the next election:
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.
    The Liberals are corrupt and are ruining our nations finances.
    I disagree. The GTA can only be won if the CPC shows they are pro-immigration and pro-multiculturalism. GTA dwellers couldn't care less about the nation's finances. They want their handouts just as much as Quebec wants their transfer payments.

    Here's to hoping Pierre wants the job.
    He considered it. He considered it seriously. I know people close to him - friends and neighbors of his. His family comes first. He doesn't want to put them through the stress that comes with that role. Besides, he's far more valuable in the position he's in now. A PM wouldn't have the freedom to do what he does.

    Some, including myself, belief Leslyn Lewis would serve us better. Sure she lacks the experience and perhaps the French language. But from a strategic point of view, a conservative black woman would do the CPC some good. It would be good PR.

    I thought I'd post the latest CPC policy as a reminder of what we all voted the policy be, not what Erin wants:
    106. Firearms
    A Conservative Government is committed to cost-effective gun control programs designed to keep
    guns out of the hands of criminals while respecting the rights of law-abiding Canadians to own and use
    firearms responsibly.
    Measures will include: mandatory minimum sentences for the criminal use of firearms; strict monitoring
    of high-risk individuals; increased enforcement and prosecution of smuggling; safe storage provisions;
    firearms safety training; a certification screening system for all those wishing to acquire firearms
    legally; and putting more law enforcement officers on our streets.
    We recognize the legitimacy of private ownership of firearms and will resist any domestic or
    international pressure to the contrary.
    A Conservative Government will not deprive Canadian Citizens of legally owned firearms.
    A Conservative Government recognizes that civilian firearms ownership is a Canadian Heritage.
    A Conservative Government would streamline Firearms classification by adopting the Simplified
    Classification System.
    A Conservative government would order a review of firearms related laws to identify parts of those
    Acts that have no public safety value.
    And it's the CPC membership's responsibility to hold the leader to task. An honestly, if you go back and listen to his speeches and answers to the gun control questions during the campaign, and if you take the time to really understand what he was saying, he wasn't swaying from the Party's plan. He was politicking and being careful with his words in trying to appeal to fence-sitters on the subject.
    dis·​il·​lu·​sion·​ed : having lost faith or trust in something formerly regarded as good or valuable
    Ca·​na·​di·​an : a native or inhabitant of Canada

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    It has been my opinion for some time now that the Republicans may have handed the Presidency to Obama, on purpose, when they ran McCain and Romney against him.

    The similarity of running Scheer and O’Toole against Trudeau is striking.

    One possible reason?

    It seems that the Rinos and progressive Conservatives fully support the extreme socialist globalist philosophy, but don’t want to be seen as the bad guys while everything goes for crap.
    Gun Control is about making it unlawful for you to use, carry, or possess a firearm.

    All restrictions/prohibitions on the use, carriage, or possession of firearms must be repealed.

    Middle ground?

    What middle ground?

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