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    Quote Originally Posted by awndray View Post
    Then instead of acting like he's bringing something to the table, he should try reading. All of his questions have been answered and his ideas discussed.
    No one was talking about the legalities of militias and defending the citizen.

    Time is running out for anyone that owns a registered prohib and handguns.

    Anyone that doesn't comply is doomed.

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    On the morning of December 29, the U.S. Cavalry troops went into the camp to disarm the Lakota. One version of events claims that during the process of disarming the Lakota, a deaf tribesman named Black Coyote was reluctant to give up his rifle, claiming he had paid a lot for it.
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    Time ran out on election day when the right couldn't come together to defeat Trudeau. Winning that election was the last feasible action we could take.

    Canada is a vast country. Gun owners are spread thin because of that. Unlike you, apparently, many of us have been at this (gun rights activism) for years and even decades. Let me tell you with no uncertainty based on my considerable experience in gun rights activism, among the ~2.2 million licensed gun owners there are about 50,000 actively engaged in gun rights activism. Of those 50,000 only a few thousand are continuously engaged. It balloons to 50,000 periodically when something comes up and when something truly egregious comes along the numbers sometimes swell to 100k to 150k or so. But once whatever issue that caused said ballooning is over, the numbers fall back down to the default of a few thousand.

    The election is over. We lost. Nothing will stop the OIC from being implemented. Even if the lawsuits win, those decisions will happen after the confiscation has taken place. The 50k-150k who get active during such times know this and are no longer active. There is nobody in any significant numbers who will keep up the fight at this point in time let alone join a militia that isn't a militia but secretly is a militia in order to somehow stop the government from confiscating our now prohibited restricteds.

    The good folks at GOC who've been around the block a few times know all this. You clearly do not which is why you are getting the push back. You are seen as either a new guy spouting stuff we already know and are simply way too late to the party. Or at worst you are seen as an agent provocateur who is trying to entrap people (media or law enforcement).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug_M View Post
    Time ran out on election day when the right couldn't come together to defeat Trudeau. Winning that election was the last feasible action we could take.
    FICTION: an O'Toole led CPC would have rolled back the OIC or extended the amnesty

    FACT: the OIC including the confiscation timeline was a done deal regardless of whether O'Toole or Trudeau won the election

    The blame for the Trudeau election win lies squarely at the feet of O'Toole NOT "the right". How could anyone vote for a political party (CPC) with a "leader" whose political views changed directions like a humming bird in a flower garden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    FICTION: an O'Toole led CPC would have rolled back the OIC or extended the amnesty

    FACT: the OIC including the confiscation timeline was a done deal regardless of whether O'Toole or Trudeau won the election
    Both of those are wrong.

    O'Toole would have extended the amnesty, possibly changed it to include use but not sale. O'Toole would then have created a period of independent consultation, the end of which he would have likely struck down the OIC citing the independent review as political justification.
    Therefore, the confiscation timeline was not a done deal regardless of who was in power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    The blame for the Trudeau election win lies squarely at the feet of O'Toole NOT "the right". How could anyone vote for a political party (CPC) with a "leader" whose political views changed
    directions like a humming bird in a flower garden?
    The previous election we blamed Scheer for not changing any views, and not responding creatively to changing political issues during the campaign.

    While the election loss is O'Toole's fault, blaming O'Toole for changing during the election after blaming Scheer's loss on not changing during the election, seems a weak analysis.

    The CPC election platform was stronger than the Liberal one. It was a good start.

    The CPC also would have ended the inflationary spending that the Liberals seem to be doing, by means of much smaller deficits paid off sooner, and more efficient spending with audits, rather than the Liberal's idiotic spending choices without audits or even reasonable guesses on what the Liberals spent all of a $400 billion deficit on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunrunner View Post
    I don't think he's looking under beds so don't worry.
    Lol, that is really rich coming from you.
    Don't blame me, I didn't vote for that clown. Oct 20, '15

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    I will concede that for legal gun owners the last election was a choice between the frying pan (the O'Toole led CPC) and the fire (the Trudeau led LPC).
    Gun owners definitely had nothing to lose voting for the O'Toole led CPC.
    A choice between doom and certain doom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    The CPC election platform was stronger than the Liberal one. It was a good start.
    What platform?
    The word "platform" implies stability.
    O'Tooles political views changed almost on a daily basis during the campaign.
    Complete fluidity on the environment, guns ... you name it.
    CPC voters were voting for "a pig in a poke".
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    You can't be serious. Which party did you support this past election? How does their platform compare to that of the CPC's?

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    In the last election I voted CPC believing that as a gun owner I had nothing to lose by ousting Trudeau and the LPC.
    Just about anything would be an improvement over the present administration.
    In other words I voted AGAINST Trudeau rather than FOR O'Toole.
    Only one person in Canada seemingly had a firm idea where O'Toole stood on anything and that was O'Toole himself.
    He certainly kept the rest of us guessing during the campaign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Both of those are wrong.

    O'Toole would have extended the amnesty, possibly changed it to include use but not sale. O'Toole would then have created a period of independent consultation, the end of which he would have likely struck down the OIC citing the independent review as political justification.
    Therefore, the confiscation timeline was not a done deal regardless of who was in power.



    The previous election we blamed Scheer for not changing any views, and not responding creatively to changing political issues during the campaign.

    While the election loss is O'Toole's fault, blaming O'Toole for changing during the election after blaming Scheer's loss on not changing during the election, seems a weak analysis.

    The CPC election platform was stronger than the Liberal one. It was a good start.

    The CPC also would have ended the inflationary spending that the Liberals seem to be doing, by means of much smaller deficits paid off sooner, and more efficient spending with audits, rather than the Liberal's idiotic spending choices without audits or even reasonable guesses on what the Liberals spent all of a $400 billion deficit on.
    Bob, this is nonsense: you have no idea what O'Toole would have done, because O'Toole doesn't know what he would have done. He stabbed us in the back mid election. He flipflopped on multiple issues, and was revealed as a man who would go whichever way the political winds were blowing.

    The rest of your post is also speculation. Face it: O'Toole and the CPC deliberately chose to run on a leftist platform that was little different from the Libs.

    Stop whitewashing that useless, untrustworthy party.
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