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    To Hatsan Escort 410 owners

    If you own Hatsan Escort in 410 and 16 or 20 ga, could you confirm whether 410 re-uses the same receiver as other calibers?
    When I look at the 410 Escort receiver, it seems that the mag tube is held by a bushing, in a much larger hole, and the barrel is sleeved.
    Since I do not have any shotguns in 16 or 20, I cannot measure their dimensions.
    Appreciate your help.

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    Welcome to GOC.
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    Thank you! Been lurking for quite some time.

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    Sorry I just have the 12 gauge model.

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    Thanks for looking!
    I went out and bought a box of 20ga snap caps. Now I am pretty certain that the Escort 410 shares the receiver with 20ga.
    At least, if I measure the 20ga rim and compare that with the diameter of the mag tube hole, there is about 0.04 gap on each side. This leaves enough space for the threaded end of the mag tube to be threaded into the receiver.
    As to the barrel, there is plenty enough of the gap for a true 20ga barrel to be inserted into its opening.
    However the ejection window is cut for 410ga, and 20ga would not eject.
    So it is a Frankenstein receiver: it can feed and fire a 20ga, if proper parts are installed, but it would not eject the spent hull.
    Why Hatsan did it is beyond me. Insanity. They have a modified CNC program for the 410 receiver but only as regards to the ejection window.
    IMO this makes a 410 Escort a very poor choice of a gun because 410 hulls are hard to feed into the magazine. Their 20ga etc probably function just as well as any other shotgun but 410 is clearly off my shopping list now.

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    Hatsan wouldn’t be the first company to use an almost common receiver across multiple gauges. Winchester did it with their model 12. Remington 1100’s and 870’s did this in two different sized receivers. The blanks for the small sized shotgun receivers were used in center fire rifles.

    When you have a common blank for the receiver, most of the internal action parts are identical, stocks can interchange. It’s plain economics. Subgauage models are low volume sellers and anything a manufacturer can do to keep the costs down makes it more competitive in the market place. The key for the manufacturer is to make the different models function correctly with the common parts.
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    Thanks for the info. Until now I was not interested in 410 so had no idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by R&R Rancher View Post
    The key for the manufacturer is to make the different models function correctly with the common parts.
    That's the point: it does not function correctly. The rounds have to be held perfectly in line with the magazine bore and fed on top of the round guide at the tip of the paddle. Otherwise they hang up on the bushing that holds the mag tube and refuse to enter it. This feels like contrast with any 12ga model that I've ever handled. I can shove rounds into Win 1912 w/o looking or thinking of what the gun wants from me.

    At least when I handled a Mossy 500 in 410 more than a decade ago I did not have any such feelings. Correct me if I am wrong but 500 seemed to have equal width feeding and ejection windows. My memory is not that great anymore.

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    For S&Gís I took my Remington 11-48 in 410 out and took some pics.

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    This little gun feeds wonderfully well with those little shells and you can see how the shell stops are shaped to help guide the shells into the magazine. The shell lifter is shaped to cradle the little round and properly feed it into the chamber. If Hatsan hasnít done their job right it wonít look like this.
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    Thanks for sharing!
    Looks like the internals of your Rem do a better job at pointing a hull into the mag opening.

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