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    Thanks RangeBob.

    So as of now, is the rifle considered non-restricted because of the barrel length?
    Can it be sold before June 30 to anyone with a Pal or RPal as a non-restricted?
    When do they vote on the bill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    So as of now, is the rifle considered non-restricted
    Yes

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    because of the barrel length?
    No.
    It's non-restricted because it's a Named Non-Restricted by an Order In Council.
    Specifically this one, SOR/2015-213 July 31, 2015
    http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/20...rs213-eng.html

    Bill C71 will override that Order In Council, by making it a Named Prohibited in the Act.
    Bill C71 also removes the ability for a minister to ever move a restricted or prohibited firearm to non-restricted by making it a Named Non-Restricted by Order In Council.
    Bill C71 retains the ability for a minister to move a non-restricted to restricted or prohibited by making it a Named Restricted or Named Prohibited by Order In Council.

    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    Can it be sold before June 30 to anyone with a Pal or RPal as a non-restricted?
    It can be sold to anyone with a PAL before the Bill passes as a non-restricted. (But that might be mean.)
    There are lots of them for sale on CGN and elsewhere. Fewer takers, lower prices, already.

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    When do they vote on the bill?
    Here's the current status of the Bill C-71
    https://www.parl.ca/LegisInfo/BillDe...billId=9710291

    It's currently finished Second Reading in the House of Commons, and is being reviewed by the House Of Commons "Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security". It's expected to be out of committee by the end of the month.
    It's expected have 3rd reading, debate, and 3rd reading debate & vote in the House of Commons, the first week of June.
    Thereafter it goes to the Senate. First reading, Second Reading with debate & vote, Committee, 3rd reading debate and vote, by the end of June.
    Royal Assent the end of June. It'll appear in the Canada Gazette the next week, and then it's law.

    That said, no one can really predict the schedule.
    The House Of Commons "Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security" normally meets Tuesdays and Thursdays, but they haven't even published what they're doing Tuesday May 15 (today) yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangeBob View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by livewire View Post
    because of the barrel length?
    No.
    It's non-restricted because it's a Named Non-Restricted by an Order In Council.
    Specifically this one, SOR/2015-213 July 31, 2015
    http://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/20...rs213-eng.html
    SOR/2015-213 and in the below link it uses the definitions of section 3.1 and 3.2 (near the top), to define "Ceská Zbrojovka" and "SAN Swiss Arms" (about 70% of the way down), and section 3.1 and 3.2 use "barrel that is at least 470 mm in length" to define which others would go where, but the ones that are specifically named are done by item number which Names them.

    They are prescribed (named) in the below, in a way that overrides the other Criminal Code definitions.

    Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted. SOR/98-462
    http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/r.../FullText.html

    3.1 names items 3, 4, 6, 7, 9 and 10 as restricted.
    3.2 names items 1, 2, 5, 8 and 11 to 15 as non-restricted

    1. Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-2P rifle (non-restricted)
    2. Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-2V rifle (non-restricted)
    3. Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-4P rifle (restricted)
    4. Ceská Zbrojovka (CZ) Model CZ858 Tactical-4V rifle (restricted)
    5. SAN Swiss Arms Model Classic Green rifle (non-restricted)
    6. SAN Swiss Arms Model Classic Green carbine (restricted)
    7. SAN Swiss Arms Model Classic Green CQB rifle (restricted)
    8. SAN Swiss Arms Model Black Special rifle (non-restricted)
    9. SAN Swiss Arms Model Black Special carbine (restricted)
    10. SAN Swiss Arms Model Black Special CQB rifle (restricted)
    11. SAN Swiss Arms Model Black Special Target rifle (non-restricted)
    12. SAN Swiss Arms Model Blue Star rifle (non-restricted)
    13. SAN Swiss Arms Model Heavy Metal rifle (non-restricted)
    14. SAN Swiss Arms Model Red Devil rifle (non-restricted)
    15. SAN Swiss Arms Model Swiss Arms Edition rifle (non-restricted)
    Last edited by RangeBob; 05-15-2018 at 09:52 PM.

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    To sell a CZ 858 non-restricted, MUST one call the CFO for the transfer, or can it be done between the two parties as long as the licences are valid? Also, if one registers a CZ a few days before the June 30 deadline, is that enough time to obtain a prohibited licence? I would assume one can't use the gun at the range until the prohibited one comes in?

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