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Stuff RangeBob said, edited for brevity. :)

Would your system allow for any requirement that firearms ownership require any level of proven proficiency?

It also seems to rely heavily on the court system, particularly Judges, to act very quickly.. which in my experience is the exact opposite of how the judicial system operates. How would that be handled? Dedicated personnel for the task? Sounds expensive?



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Would your system allow for any requirement that firearms ownership require any level of proven proficiency?

Similar to what we have today
- CFSC has a practical test with dummy rounds
- hunter training has a practical test with dummy rounds
- range training has a practical test with live rounds (e.g. 10 22LR rounds from a pistol into a 10 inch circle target at 20 yards).


It also seems to rely heavily on the court system, particularly Judges, to act very quickly.. which in my experience is the exact opposite of how the judicial system operates. How would that be handled? Dedicated personnel for the task? Sounds expensive?
The courts are responsible for the decisions that lead to the Weapons Prohibition Orders. Whatever speed that happens now, same. In the case of bail conditions, I believe that happens the same day, by the court clerk on direction of the judge at the request of the crown prosecutor, within hours.
Note that before 2007, the Canadian Firearms Program was 'embarrassed' because they'd issued new PALs to ~100 people with Weapons Prohibition Orders. The Canadian Firearms Program got quite upset. Since 2007, courts have been notifying CFOs promptly about Weapons Prohibition Orders. I don't know the media of communication (website, email, phone). For a couple of years after 2007, the Commissioner Of Firearms reports proudly declared that they hadn't issued any PALs to people with Weapons Prohibition Orders.

For a '10 year' or 'lifetime' Weapons Prohibition Order (as opposed to a condition of bail), that would require a trial. That's months or years.
Similarly for a court to overrule a Canadian Firearms Program rejection, that would require a court hearing. That's months at least.

The front line police are responsible for FIP notes. Those are usually done the same day, sometimes within an hour.
 
That, overlaid with the rate of firearms ownership on Canada. Marks for when mandated training was req'd as well would be nice.

A 2nd overlay that showed the total number of guns owned could be interesting as well.

I've probably got some graphs for that around here somewhere. Some by me. Some by others.
Firearms #Licences and Firearms #RegisteredGuns, would be available from http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/archives/index-eng.htm
(Both of course would be lower than actual firearms owners, and actual firearms in Canada)

Mandated training would be for anyone who got a PAL (as opposed to a POL). PALs started around 1998. They tried to get everyone licenced (PAL+POL) who was going to be licenced by 2000/2001.
Of course people taking hunting courses or joining a range, would have had training long before that as well.
 
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Foxer, if your proposed solution is a system based on civilian law that doesn't involve licenses nor the criminalization of mere possession...then whats wrong with Rangebob's system since it achieves those things while still maintaining some levels of checks? And why are you trying to argue that the current PAL system is better? Seems contradictory.

Sorry - I've been dealing with power outages and windstorm damages all day, it's been a nightmare. Greater Vancouver and the valley have been getting the snot kicked out of it, one kid killed by falling trees and literally hundreds of good sized power outages (including my personal place) and the big storm isn't even due to hit till tomorrow. On the other hand, lots of fun playing with all my emergency prep gear :) my backup gen doesn't get installed for 2 weeks at the new place here so it's all my old school stuff right now. Kind of fun but a bit of work and the phone's been ringing off the hook.

So not avoiding the question but it deserves a lot of though to give a clear answer and I still have to go over rangebob's rather lengthy post to make sure I understand where he's going with it in detail :) Might not be till tomorrow - if the power holds and the river don't rise. (Literally.)
 
I've been dealing with power outages and windstorm damages all day, it's been a nightmare. Greater Vancouver and the valley have been getting the snot kicked out of it, one kid killed by falling trees and literally hundreds of good sized power outages (including my personal place) and the big storm isn't even due to hit till tomorrow. On the other hand, lots of fun playing with all my emergency prep gear :) my backup gen doesn't get installed for 2 weeks at the new place here so it's all my old school stuff right now. Kind of fun but a bit of work and the phone's been ringing off the hook.

How's your old place today ? (irony question)

I've been meaning to put together a post about 'flashlights to read by' -- but I have to figure out how to get my digital camera to take constant settings to compare brightness. If you're in a hurry for observations I can send you a summary private message without pictures.
 
How's your old place today ? (irony question)

Oh it went down too. :) I was looking at the outage maps and notice it was in the affected areas. Which is rare, I had only one or two power outages in about 10 years there. Never got to use my prep stuff much. But now that I'm out in the sticks a break anywhere on the line for about 50 clicks takes me out as well. They say it's about 2 or 3 a year normally and they only last for a few hours, but this is my 5th since coming here 2 months ago :). Bad year I guess. And normally we don't get storms like this till well into November if at all, so I wasn't in a panic for the genny.

The REALLY amusing thing was my mom kept calling before the storms hit demanding that if there was a power outage I grab the parrots and head over there where it was 'safe'. I pointed out I have all kinds of prep stuff and would be fine, and she was 'no no no, you come right over'. Sure mom. Anyway - when the power went out I looked at the outage map and smiled and called her and said "how's it going?". She said "Power's out here." Yeah it is. :)

I've been meaning to put together a post about 'flashlights to read by' -- but I have to figure out how to get my digital camera to take constant settings to compare brightness. If you're in a hurry for observations I can send you a summary private message without pictures.
I appreciate it bud (and that'd be a good thread) but for lights I was actually pretty good. What threw me a little was heat. I had a big buddy heater for the apartment which worked fine and the building took forever to cool so it was really no big deal, but for the house it just wasn't big enough to really do the job. It was only 9 degrees out which is no problem at all for me but I don't like the birds to get that cold at all. I hadn't made preps for that because I'll have the generator in the future so the pellet stove and furnace will still work fine. But - not here yet so I went and grabbed one of those kerosene convection heaters for indoor use. I'd researched them before but they were way overkill at the old place.

I have to say I was very impressed - got it working in no time, burned it in a little on the deck, fired it up inside and it had the whole place up to it's normal temp in under an hour. I'd have had to open a window to let it run all night :) Sips fuel too. Of course - that's about when the power came back.

But at least I have it if the power goes out tonite. And it'll make a good back up in the future if the genny ever conks out at an inopportune time.

Sorry for the derail - back to the regular scheduled topic :)
 
As near as I can tell, in the state of Indiana, Driver's Licence Numbers are subject to Open Access Laws. Thus you can download a database of them as a public record.
The Indiana Statewide Voter Registration System maintained since 2010 at www.indianavoters.com uses Driver's Licence Numbers as one of two ways to log in.
Thus, anyone can make changes to anyone's name, address, age and more.
Obviously this might compromise an election. The biggest concern would be for a hacker to change an address and request an absentee ballot. Then you have a voter showing up to vote on Election Day and finds out unexpectedly that they show a ballot already cast.
http://www.jconline.com/story/opini...0/10/bangert-experiment-voter-fraud/91837292/
 
Sorry - I've been dealing with power outages and windstorm damages all day, it's been a nightmare. Greater Vancouver and the valley have been getting the snot kicked out of it, one kid killed by falling trees and literally hundreds of good sized power outages (Literally.)

Leaving UBC Friday afternoon came across 3 separate downed powerlines while avoiding two major intersection with no lights. Now to wait and see what tonight's wind/rain storm brings
 
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