Time taken to issue club level ATT?

[Flashpoint]

I bought a GSG1911 Pistol, and so far it's excelled at the task of being the most expensive paperweight I've ever bought. I applied at the club for my ATT (I've got probationary membership there, I joined a month back).

So now it's a matter of the waiting game for a club-level ATT; I'm wondering how long it takes because it's been an even month so far. What has been your experience? They issued me a one-time ATT so I could take it home within around three days after I bought the gun. I'm just wondering why it would take four weeks for someone to simply give the go-ahead to simply take it back to the place I bought it at.

Should I call in and inquire?

 

[Mad Hatter]

CFO's have imposed a minimum 2 week waiting period for first time ATT's in Alberta I know.

 

[desiel]

Alberta processed 13000 new not renewed pal/rpal in the first 1/4 of this year and i was told it was looking the same for the second 1/4. Thinks that speed this up. Long membership standing, restricted owner, competitive shooter, which usually shows the above. Stop bitching about wait times i would just as soon see 20000 new card holders and wait an extra month cause that means more votes for us at election time and a bigger voice to make changes. Hope you get your latt soon.
Desiel

 

[Flashpoint]

Jeez. I see.

Well, with anything, I suppose it's never going to not be safe to assume "when hell freezes over" when it comes to anything bureaucratic. *grumble grumble*

 

[Wendell]

Some shooting clubs or ranges have introduced "probationary" club memberships. These temporary memberships are designed for potential club or range members who are new to the club or previous members who have not actively used the range for a specified period of time (i.e., 2-3 years). The terms and conditions of these memberships (such as duration and attendance at range safety seminars) are established and monitored by the shooting club or range. For the purposes of the issuance of a long-term ATT for target practice, CFO's generally require that the ATT applicant has a "full" club membership (i.e., has met the terms and conditions of the probationary membership and has been issued a subsequent "full" club or range membership).
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/target_cible-eng.htm>

 

[sallen]

Hopefully two months doesn’t count as a necropost, if it does be nice to me since I’m new here. I didn’t vote as I couldn’t select within 2 weeks, 3 weeks, a month, or more than two. I’m the ATT secretary for my club, so I can give you a bit of insight into the process.

Assuming that the individual has completed an ATT course, or equivalent training, and the member is in good standing, a club can request an ATT. This requires that a letter be drawn up, and signed by two club executives. I am able to provide one of the signatures, so I physically need to meet with another club executive, usually the Range Director to get the second signature. Depending on our schedules it can take a few days to arrange to meet.

Since it takes the same amount of time to one as it does more than one, I usually wait 1-2 weeks before I draw up a letter, and add any requests from the previous two weeks. If I didn’t do it this way it would be a full time job. The bottom line is if you happen to submit a request the day after a batch was submitted you may need to wait a week or two, if I happen to have one that is outstanding it may get done that day.

Once the two signatures are in place the letter needs to be faxed to the CFO’s office. Once this is done it can take as little as two days, or as much as two months to get back, depending on how busy the CFOs is. Usually it takes 1-2 weeks to get back. I have requested them via email now, so I get them the day they were issued. In the past I would wait for the mail, and then had to make arrangements to get it to the member.

I always tell people to give me at least a month to get everything done. As a volunteer I don’t appreciated getting yelled at on a Friday when you have a match on Saturday, and just realized that your ATT is no longer valid. Although I do track when an ATT expires, I have no way to know when an individual has renewed their license unless they tell me.

I hope to be able to retire from this job once the ATTs are rolled into the RPALs.

 

[Ron]

It took me 7 weeks from the time I finnished my probation period untill I received my ATT...hope yours is quicker.

 

[GTA Dragon]

If you wait till the fall there is no waiting

 

[Neil Burke]

3 weeks, more or less on the nose to be picked up at the range. (Colby.) Which range did you join Flashpoint? Iirc, you said you were in the Waterloo area?

 

[Flashpoint]

PM sent!

 

[3MTA3]

Ontario requires that you take a club level "ATT" course- most other provinces don't I think. After the club secretary verifies you have junped all the hoops it usually is just a matter of the club submitting your name on a form.The ATT is returned from Orillia electronically most cases - This is usually quite quick-about 1 to 5 days.

 

[mrg372k9]

Ontario requires that you take a club level "ATT" course- most other provinces don't I think. After the club secretary verifies you have junped all the hoops it usually is just a matter of the club submitting your name on a form.The ATT is returned from Orillia electronically most cases - This is usually quite quick-about 1 to 5 days.

1 to 5 days? Oh dear!! Somebody must be on vacation... so far it's been 1 to 5 weeks

 

[Flashpoint]

Yeah. Mine was a month in the making. .

 

[3MTA3]

Hey I am just talking about the club ATTs that I see being sent in, not including the course etc, just from when they are sent in to when they come back.

 

[Shalimar]

Ontario requires that you take a club level "ATT" course- most other provinces don't I think. After the club secretary verifies you have junped all the hoops it usually is just a matter of the club submitting your name on a form.The ATT is returned from Orillia electronically most cases - This is usually quite quick-about 1 to 5 days.

Sorry.. but that is incorrect. There is nothing within the FA or regs that actually says you have to take such a course at all. That has been admitted to as well in court by the CFO when pressed the same as membership is not required by law. In addition there is no such thing as a "club ATT"... as per parliament's own words as put into law an ATT is something between the officials and the license owner. The club does not issue any ATT ever.. since they have zero authority to do any such thing.

Now that said.. most clubs insist on anyone new doing their course and some (with more common sense though either way that is their right.. and if you don't like it just go elsewhere) will give exemptions for those that already posses the proper knowledge and skills to be safe.
(again proven in court much to wyatt's dismay)

The idea that you MUST get an ATT through a club is a myth at best and a flat out lie in reality.. sadly perpetuated by many including those that do not actually know the law. Wyatt and his ilk of course take full advantage and abuse this every chance they possibly can get.


And of course for any real newb.. TAKE THE COURSE!!! The official test to get your RPAL etc is IMHO a joke and newbs most often need that additional instruction though not all (depends on other experience)

I for example have never taken that course.. but I came to this with experience since I was a young kid and when in court even had signed certifications from instructors (again to wyatts dismay)

 

[3MTA3]

Sure OK-This is not done by most clubs , just so they can push more paper and volunteer more hours or suffer abuse by members- It is done by request of the Ontario CFO-
Go try to get an ATT in Ontario with out belonging to a club or taking the so called "ATT" Course. The CFO has made this a requirement of clubs in ON. Is it Possible to get without a club membership and course?- Yes ;-Easy?-

Definitely not.

THREAT TO SAFETY MENACE À LA SÉCURITÉ
1.1 A chief firearms officer may issue to an individual
an authorization to transport if the chief firearms officer
determines that the transportation of a restricted
firearm or prohibited firearm, as the case may be, between
two or more specified places will not pose a threat
to the safety of the individual or any other individual

I guess this one way they try to ensure this- rightly or wrongly.

 

[3MTA3]

Also- there is regulation that requires safety training for range use;

7. (1) The operator of a shooting range shall ensure
that every person who indicates an intention to use the
shooting range for the first time is informed of the safety
rules used at that shooting range.



(2) No person may use a shooting range for the first
time without having received the information referred to
in subsection (1).

This can be simple or more involved but it required whether a ATT is needed or not.

Also;

5. The operator of an approved shooting range shall
ensure that the discharge of firearms on the shooting
range does not endanger the safety of persons at the
shooting range or in the portion of the surrounding area
described in paragraph 3(2)(a), by taking appropriate
measures, including ensuring that
(a) the design and operation of the shooting range


(i) is such that projectiles discharged from firearms
will not leave the shooting range if they are discharged
there in accordance with the safety rules,
and
(ii) promotes the safety of all persons on the shooting
range, including by accommodating any adaptation
that may be appropriate given the nature of the
shooting activities that may take place and the type
and calibre of firearms that may be used there;

 

[Shalimar]

CFO's have imposed a minimum 2 week waiting period for first time ATT's in Alberta I know.

Proof? If someone at the CFO's office said that demand it in writing!!!

Why? Simple.. they legally cannot do that since that would be in direct violation of the law and no. the CFO's cannot use "discretion" to add that sort of condition.

 

[Shalimar]

Alberta processed 13000 new not renewed pal/rpal in the first 1/4 of this year and i was told it was looking the same for the second 1/4. Thinks that speed this up. Long membership standing, restricted owner, competitive shooter, which usually shows the above. Stop bitching about wait times i would just as soon see 20000 new card holders and wait an extra month cause that means more votes for us at election time and a bigger voice to make changes. Hope you get your latt soon.
Desiel

No offense.. but start bitching more.. only to your MP. Parliament intended the system to be quick by their own words and the letter of the law. Therefore delays on that which should have never existed in the first place are unacceptable regardless of how many card holders there are.

And new card holders are a good thing esp if they listen, learn and get into the fight.

 

[Shalimar]

Some shooting clubs or ranges have introduced "probationary" club memberships. These temporary memberships are designed for potential club or range members who are new to the club or previous members who have not actively used the range for a specified period of time (i.e., 2-3 years). The terms and conditions of these memberships (such as duration and attendance at range safety seminars) are established and monitored by the shooting club or range. For the purposes of the issuance of a long-term ATT for target practice, CFO's generally require that the ATT applicant has a "full" club membership (i.e., has met the terms and conditions of the probationary membership and has been issued a subsequent "full" club or range membership).
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/target_cible-eng.htm>

The CFOs cannot by law demand any membership and that they have been forced to admit in court more than once. Any refusal on that basis MUST by law be done in writing.. they cannot refuse in any other manner as per the FA