With Few Gun Laws, New Hampshire Is Safer Than Canada

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What has always bothered me is that my non-gun owning friends are always telling me that they support tough gun laws in Canada because, "we don't want to be like the States"

Well, I live in Manitoba and I've known for quite sometime that my US neighbors Minnesota and North Dakota have lower murder rates than us even with both having concealed carry. When I tell my friends this they seem quite surprised (and hopefully enlightened).

However, even I was surprised when I came across this article :https://mises.org/blog/few-gun-laws-new-hampshire-safer-canada

It seems that New Hampshire (with almost no gun laws) has the same murder rate as even the most anti-gun province in Canada, Quebec. BTW, 23 states have the same or lower homicide rates than Manitoba.

Canadians need to be un-brainwashed about this. Maybe the article will help if it gets around.
 
The US as a whole is starting to out pace us in cutting homicides in total.
I mentioned this before, rangebob had the charts when I did iirc, but they're on pace to end up having a lower homicide rate than us in a decade or two.

I may be mixing up homicides and violent crime in total.
 
Yep, the only places that fuel the narrative of the US having buckboard sidewalks to keep your feet out of the blood are major city centres. Going off the cuff, but isn't it Chicago, Washington DC, LA, Atlanta, and New York City(population of Quebec) that skew the stats down there? With more freedoms to carry, and the general trend of homicides aside from when Cuba exported their "political prisoners", I could see the States having a lower crime rate than Canada. Especially if we start going all England with our self-defence laws.
 
^^ You forget Detroit? I know there's been a considerable drop in population, but IIRC it's still up there with the violence.....
 
NH had a lower homicide rate than PEI did in 2014. Impressive.
 
Yes, NH with practically no gun laws.

Canadians (especially politicians and gun control advocates) need to be informed that restrictive gun laws do not equal lower murder rates. No one wants to see us selling guns in the 7-11 or a vending machine but why are we wasting our time, effort and money nickel and dime-ing law abiding gun owners with magazine capacity and barrel length when social issues are way more important?

You want to lower the homicide rate? Spend your time and money on poverty, mental health and admit that the useless war on drugs is a total failure.
 
freep said:
Yes, NH with practically no gun laws.

Canadians (especially politicians and gun control advocates) need to be informed that restrictive gun laws do not equal lower murder rates. No one wants to see us selling guns in the 7-11 or a vending machine but why are we wasting our time, effort and money nickel and dime-ing law abiding gun owners with magazine capacity and barrel length when social issues are way more important?

You want to lower the homicide rate? Spend your time and money on poverty, mental health and admit that the useless war on drugs is a total failure.
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Considering the low crime rate on PEI, I don't know if there's a correlation between poverty and crime.
 
I arrived at my NH gun club in Canadian mode with my handguns trigger locked in a red crappy tire tool box and one of the guys walked over and told me that he'd take me to the toilette in the clubhouse that needed fixing. He thought I was the friggin plumber. ;)There were members arriving at the club to shoot with their handguns in shoulder holsters under their jackets. Surprisingly there was no talk of the almighty cfo or whether you need an att to bring a new handgun home from the post office. ;)The yearly membership is $50 because there is no anti-gun bureaucrat (cfo) trying to put the club into receivership by demanding expensive and unnecessary compliance standards.
I don't recall a single shooting accident at my Plymouth NH shooting club.
I attend the NH club several times a year just to breathe the air of freedom as a citizen rather than a British subject.
Several of the handguns I imported from Canada over the last 2 years are stored in my brothers home in Plymouth NH.
As well as club shooting we go handgun hunting for deer in either NH or ME each fall.
 
Gunrunner said:
As well as club shooting we go handgun hunting for deer in either NH or ME each fall.
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How's the deer hunting in those places? Wouldn't mind eventually fleeing to either myself, Maine especially since it's close to home.
 
lone-wolf said:
How's the deer hunting in those places? Wouldn't mind eventually fleeing to either myself, Maine especially since it's close to home.
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Popped a 8 point buck with a real robust body in Aristook County ME last year.
One shot with a 240 grain swc from my trusty model 29 6" bbl.
My brother nailed a smaller 6 pointer with his ruger super redhawk in 454 Casull 71/2" bbl.
He got his the first day and I shot my buck on the 2nd day after passing up a couple of smaller bucks.
 
The Crown doesn't want to decrease crime and doesn't want to be educated. No more crime would mean no crime to enforce and prosecute. They want to justify taking more money, not less. It's about money, not justice.
 
Swampdonkey said:
The Crown doesn't want to decrease crime and doesn't want to be educated. No more crime would mean no crime to enforce and prosecute. They want to justify taking more money, not less. It's about money, not justice.
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Crime is the gist that powers the criminal justice bureaucracy which mean big pay envelopes and gold plated benefit packages and pension plans for a class of elites (cops, crown attorneys, probation & parole officers, judges). Heck, according to the published Ontario sunshine list many of the base of the golden apple tree jail guards are making over $100K a year.
Crime is their bread and butter and they'd have to get real jobs where you actually produce something if it didn't exist.
Enforcing and prosecuting silly Canadian gun laws that benefit and protect no one is their raison d'être.
 
freep said:
What has always bothered me is that my non-gun owning friends are always telling me that they support tough gun laws in Canada because, "we don't want to be like the States"

Well, I live in Manitoba and I've known for quite sometime that my US neighbors Minnesota and North Dakota have lower murder rates than us even with both having concealed carry. When I tell my friends this they seem quite surprised (and hopefully enlightened).

However, even I was surprised when I came across this article :https://mises.org/blog/few-gun-laws-new-hampshire-safer-canada




It seems that New Hampshire (with almost no gun laws) has the same murder rate as even the most anti-gun province in Canada, Quebec. BTW, 23 states have the same or lower homicide rates than Manitoba.

Canadians need to be un-brainwashed about this. Maybe the article will help if it gets around.
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Interesting chart....I'm taking it from your link, haven't validated it or researched it.

Note which provinces have the lowest instances of murder.... and note which territories has the highest.


Now cross reference this to an RCMP document which discusses licencing rates



Province/Territory Licences per 100,000 Population
Ontario 4,362
Prince Edward Island 4,395
British Columbia 5,731
Quebec 6,270
Manitoba 7,010
Alberta 7,177
Nova Scotia 7,957
New Brunswick 9,171
Saskatchewan 9,463
Nunavut 9,722
Northwest Territories 12,638
Newfoundland and Labrador 14,249
Yukon 19,698

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/facts-faits/index-eng.htm


With the exception of Newfoundland/Labrador, maybe New Brunswick, seems like more licences (more gun owners?), more murders, doesn't it?
 
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That chart must be from 2014, just want to point out that PEI's homicide rate a few years leading up to that year was no more than 0.69/100,000 - and 2yrs out of 4 was 0/100,000
 
lone-wolf said:
That chart must be from 2014, just want to point out that PEI's homicide rate a few years leading up to that year was no more than 0.69/100,000 - and 2yrs out of 4 was 0/100,000
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So PEI would normally be even FURTHER to the left on the homicide chart.

Am I understanding you correctly?
 
Yep. I don't want people thinking we're worse than those hoodlum blue nosers & herring chokers! :p
 
Why would Newfoundland/Labrador be the exception and not "the territories"? Your assertion completely falls apart when you get further south. The territories have pretty substantial social issues affecting their murder rate.
 
P.E.I. used to have a homicide every other year.
similar going back though a few years
2010: 0
2011: 1
2012: 0
2013: 1

Yukon, from 2011 to 2013 had no homicides. 0.
Thus the homicide rate for the Yukon from 2011 to 2013 was 0.00 per 100,000 population.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal12a-eng.htm
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/legal12b-eng.htm

What makes the original post graph interesting is that it shows that even though the laws are even throughout Canada, there was a year that Canada was on both outliers -- the highest of any province/territory and state, and the lowest of any province/territory and state. With America, who presumably has lesser gun laws, in the middle. The presumption is that gun laws have no effect.

When compared worldwide, the USA is less than the mean and median for homicide.

The USA's problem isn't guns. The USA's problem is gangs. Gangs shoot it out relatively large numbers.
Canada's problem isn't guns, and while we have some gang activity in our larger cities (Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, etc) it's no where near the rate per 100,000 population that the USA has.

Our problem in the north I think is poverty and depression, due to the various difficulties in living there including the expense of shipping anything and the need for more energy than is cheaply available there. If my thought is accurate as to a cause, then perhaps the federal government should stop paying northern First Nations bands millions of dollars, and instead offer free shipping with a 4 day maximum delivery time on absolutely everything. Free shipping on gasoline. Free shipping on building supplies. Free shipping on food. Free shipping on clothes. Free shipping on tools. The provincial governments might even build a 365/24/7 road or two.
 
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