With Few Gun Laws, New Hampshire Is Safer Than Canada

nntw said:
Have a look at your post and the rcmp stats.

More gun licences lined up with more murders.

Let's have your explanation.
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nntw said:
Okay- let's clean this copy up now that I'm at a computer, not a tablet....

The OP threw out some assertions, based on some questionable data.

I just thought I'd see about correlating the provincial deaths against ownership. And you know, I'd bet if we did a bit of statistical analysis on it, we WOULD confirm the correlation.

Except for Newfoundland/Labrador.

And that might bear some study.


Now, do I really think more guns = more deaths?

Not really.

But RB's thrown out 'Ignoring that guns aren't the cause....' without supporting it in any way shape or form.


Cheers.

But it's certainly interesting.
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Do you know the difference between correlation and causation? Correlation is useless in this type of discussion. You need to do a bit more work but nice try.
 
lone-wolf said:
What is carding?
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It's similar to the "stop and frisk" or "Terry stop" that New York and the United Kingdom did for a while.

Basically if you resembled a group more likely to commit a crime, in a location where that group operated, police would stop you and
- ask for your identification
- ask you several questions
- possibly search you for weapons

see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carding_(police_policy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_stop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop-and-frisk_in_New_York_City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_police_in_England_and_Wales#Search_without_arrest
 
freep said:
What has always bothered me is that my non-gun owning friends are always telling me that they support tough gun laws in Canada because, "we don't want to be like the States"

Well, I live in Manitoba and I've known for quite sometime that my US neighbors Minnesota and North Dakota have lower murder rates than us even with both having concealed carry. When I tell my friends this they seem quite surprised (and hopefully enlightened).

However, even I was surprised when I came across this article :https://mises.org/blog/few-gun-laws-new-hampshire-safer-canada

It seems that New Hampshire (with almost no gun laws) has the same murder rate as even the most anti-gun province in Canada, Quebec. BTW, 23 states have the same or lower homicide rates than Manitoba.

Canadians need to be un-brainwashed about this. Maybe the article will help if it gets around.
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i agree we must do everything we can to unbrainwash them
 
lone-wolf said:
What is carding?
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Not entirely sure how the TPD conducted it, but it is essentially stop and frisk or similar. It is how they were able to literally get guns off the streets as the thugs we less likely to be carrying out in public due to the risk of being carded.

EDIT: I really need to read through threads when I'm catching up before I reply. Thanks for the clearer explanation RB.
 
the above graphs do not specifically deal with FIREARM homicides, do they?
 
This graph, from the same report, appears to.

Take a look at the countries with HIGHER rates....

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nntw said:
Have a look at your post and the rcmp stats.

More gun licences lined up with more murders.

Let's have your explanation.
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I can't. Can you explain why 23 states with way more liberal gun laws than Manitoba have a lower rate?

I do, however, suspect that there are many more factors involved. Manitoba has a very high poverty rate and it's probably the drug and gang capital of Canada. Rich Nordic farmers in N. Dakota and Minn. have little reason to shoot themselves.

In other words, socio-economic factors have much more to do with violence than guns do.

Don't get me wrong, i sure as hell don't want to see guns sold in vending machines--I believe in licensing and training, but after a certain point it's just a waste of time and money going on about magazine capacity, barrel length and whether a gun looks scary or not. Time and money better spent on fixing social problems.
 
freep said:
I can't. Can you explain why 23 states with way more liberal gun laws than Manitoba have a lower rate?

I do, however, suspect that there are many more factors involved. Manitoba has a very high poverty rate and it's probably the drug and gang capital of Canada. Rich Nordic farmers in N. Dakota and Minn. have little reason to shoot themselves.

In other words, socio-economic factors have much more to do with violence than guns do.

Don't get me wrong, i sure as hell don't want to see guns sold in vending machines--I believe in licensing and training, but after a certain point it's just a waste of time and money going on about magazine capacity, barrel length and whether a gun looks scary or not. Time and money better spent on fixing social problems.
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Law of diminishing return. After a while you no longer see the benefit from increasing one variable.

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freep said:
...Don't get me wrong, i sure as hell don't want to see guns sold in vending machines--I believe in licensing and training, but after a certain point it's just a waste of time and money going on about magazine capacity, barrel length and whether a gun looks scary or not. Time and money better spent on fixing social problems.
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Yeah. I'd agree with this, and with (most of) what you wrote.

Of course, a lot of gun owners on this site won't.....

Cheers!
 
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nntw said:
Yeah. I'd agree with this, and with (most of) what you wrote.

Of course, a lot of gun owners on this site won't.....

Cheers!
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I hope nobodies mis-interpreting me. I mean the government is wasting their time and money going after law abiding gun owners with regulations about magazine capacity, barrel length, etc.
 
freep said:
I hope nobodies mis-interpreting me. I mean the government is wasting their time and money going after law abiding gun owners with regulations about magazine capacity, barrel length, etc.
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I don't think anyone will misinterpret you, that was well spoken. The problem some may have is that, based on recent Canadian history, regulation(licencing) leads to confiscation. Unfortunately you've stumbled onto one of the theories that divides gun owners in Canada, many wish for zero government interference with guns, and many wish for some form of formal oversight.
Personally (and away we go offtopic:)) I agree with most of what you said, I have no problem with standardised training, I just don't want the government to have any sort of control or knowledge over the objects that training would certify me for. They don't care about my chainsaws, nail guns, axes, ladders or pressurised scuba tanks, but I have training for all these items, and harming others with them should get me punished by society based on the harm caused regardless of the object involved.
 
Strewth said:
I don't think anyone will misinterpret you, that was well spoken. The problem some may have is that, based on recent Canadian history, regulation(licencing) leads to confiscation. Unfortunately you've stumbled onto one of the theories that divides gun owners in Canada, many wish for zero government interference with guns, and many wish for some form of formal oversight.
Personally (and away we go offtopic:)) I agree with most of what you said, I have no problem with standardised training, I just don't want the government to have any sort of control or knowledge over the objects that training would certify me for. They don't care about my chainsaws, nail guns, axes, ladders or pressurised scuba tanks, but I have training for all these items, and harming others with them should get me punished by society based on the harm caused regardless of the object involved.
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Thanks. I don't have a problem with licensing and training just as a general safety consideration and I don't want felons and people with mental issues being able to buy guns but I do think that registration (and classification) of any firearm is a waste of time and money and does nothing to reduce crime.

There was a recent big trial in Winnipeg of a gang hit (drug related, of course). The news showed a picture of the weapon used. A Glock 9mm with a 30 shot extended magazine. I'm sure the accused didn't register that gun, and of course the magazine was illegal.
 
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