No More Rivets for Pmags!

[Marshall]

We are happy to announce that from now on all Magpul Pmags sold to Canada by Aztech Armory will be internally blocked to allow for complete dis-assembly... No more Rivets!!

We are working on internal blocks for other mags as well.
So far we have XDm and PPQ blocks with more to come soon. Eventually we hope to eliminate the use of rivets entirely.

[Doug_M]

That is fantastic! Any chance you'll get 20 rounders internally blocked too?


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[Marshall]

That is fantastic! Any chance you'll get 20 rounders internally blocked too?


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Yes, 20 rd pmag blocks are ready...
Working on the USGI blocks as well.

[lone-wolf]

How is it done exactly?

[Marshall]

How is it done exactly?

For the PMAGs a polymer block replaces the base plate retainer and extends up inside of the spring to limit the travel of the follower. You can remove the base plate and block just as you normally would and the follower and spring can then be completely removed.

Pistol mags are just a polymer block epoxied to the underside of the follower or to the top of the base plate retainer, depending on the type of magazine.

[mister donut]

[short1]

Ummm are you sure this is legal ? As in accepted by the Law? Cops are used to seeing rivets. I was just reading this :

http://blueline.ca/articles/purposive_approach_favoured_over_restrictive_one_in_cartridge_magazine_interpretation

[lone-wolf]

Ummm are you sure this is legal ? As in accepted by the Law? Cops are used to seeing rivets. I was just reading this :

http://blueline.ca/articles/purposiv...interpretation

I PM'd them with this question, and got a response that put my worries at ease.
Crimps are also popular, and not all that easy to see.

[Edenchef]

OMG! [IMG][/IMG] So, now we will have to rely on the "judgement" call of an LEO and hope they got, read, and understood the memo about no more rivets? I think I like my rivets. The possible fail is strong with this one. [IMG][/IMG]

[Marshall]

We've had them inspected by CBSA and they have no issues. In fact two out of three agents complimented us on them.

Since the base plate retainer is replaced by the block, the magazine would not function properly without it. If you remove the block and reinstall the base plate it would come loose as soon as you try to fire the rifle which would allow the spring and follower (and ammo) to drop out the bottom. I suppose one could reinstall the base plate with some epoxy or possible screw it on somehow, but this would require tools, plus the spring will not stay properly aligned on the base plate without the retainer, so it would likely not function properly.

As an authorized RCMP Verifier, I see this as a more viable option than the rivet, especially when applied to the polymer magazines. If I don't care about the aesthetics of the magazine, it takes me all of about 90 seconds to remove the rivet from a PMAG in the field with my multi-tool, but would require some additional tools and/or parts to make one of ours functional if I remove the block.

[Marshall]

OMG! [IMG][/IMG] So, now we will have to rely on the "judgement" call of an LEO and hope they got, read, and understood the memo about no more rivets? I think I like my rivets. The possible fail is strong with this one. [IMG][/IMG]

If you want rivets we can do that, all you have to is is specify that when you order them.

[Marshall]

Excerpt from Memorandum D19-13-2

Alteration or modification of a magazine

59. A prescribed cartridge magazine that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that provision if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

60. For the purposes of the above, altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes:

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;
(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as cement, epoxy or other glue.

61. This is not necessarily an all-exhaustive list and therefore not the only acceptable methods of converting magazines to five or fewer shots capacity for rifles/shotguns or ten or less for handguns.

[Marshall]

Sorry, we've already sold all the ones that came in on the June import so I can't get pics for you now, but I'll get some of the next batch and post up then.

[Edenchef]

If you want rivets we can do that, all you have to is is specify that when you order them.

Sorry, Marshal. We really need a sarcasm smiley here on GOC. I think what you have done is great. I was trying to poke fun at the fact that the average serving LEO cannot/does not even care to understand the current regulations about firearms. Now I have to carry ANOTHER piece of paper to educate these neanderthal LEO's about the very law's that THEY are supposed to be enforcing. My point is: if these morons are not properly trained in the law, why is it my responsibility to educate them....for free. Educating them on the law is the obligation/duty of the Government and that is what I supposedly pay some taxes for....educating these thugs, before they f___kup somebodies life, by their ignorance/lack of proper training. If ignorance of the law is not a defense for a citizen; why is it tolerated/allowed/even encouraged for LEO's? We all know the answer....$$$$$$. These are the new "Sheriffs of Nottingham"; collecting the hidden taxes(fines) for their masters(government) bloated treasury.

[short1]

Thank you Marshall for elaborating on the legalities.