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  • Shalimar
    Banned
    • Mar 2014
    • 3254

    #31
    Originally posted by riderrick View Post
    so is it a club rule or cfo rule, the club applying for the att? here in bc I just faxed proof of membership to the cfo to get my att. not that I liked having to prove it but I needed membership to shoot so what the heck....it is the only place to shoot in my area.
    it's a CFO "policy" which is not enforceable period. Though some club out there might have some moronic version of it on their own.. if they do they are not worth it flat out and tell them so.

    And remember you did not have to prove anything.. membership is not required by law and that is what matters.

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    • Haywire1
      Canadian ForcesOgre
      • Jun 2012
      • 5523

      #32
      Somehing to point out. The regulation states an att THAT TAKES THE FORM OF A CONDITION ATTACHED TO A LICENSE must blah blah blah. If the att is part of the license, then it doesn't take the form of an attached condition. (Sorry for the caps am on my phone)
      in pace, ut sapiens, aptarit idonea bello
      - In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war

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      • Shalimar
        Banned
        • Mar 2014
        • 3254

        #33
        Originally posted by Haywire1 View Post
        Somehing to point out. The regulation states an att THAT TAKES THE FORM OF A CONDITION ATTACHED TO A LICENSE must blah blah blah. If the att is part of the license, then it doesn't take the form of an attached condition. (Sorry for the caps am on my phone)
        It does indeed but not in the method you are most likely thinking.. but more like if you get a change on your DL they put a sticker on it and give you a piece of paper til a new one is made and arrives in the mail.

        ATTs however all require possession of the license at the same time and a new license is not issued everytime etc... therefore until it is changed that part of the regulation is in essence a moot point since there is no ATT attatched by default.

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        • Haywire1
          Canadian ForcesOgre
          • Jun 2012
          • 5523

          #34
          However the way the wording is implies there are other forms an att may take other than an attached condition.
          in pace, ut sapiens, aptarit idonea bello
          - In peace, like a wise man, he appropriately prepares for war

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          • Shalimar
            Banned
            • Mar 2014
            • 3254

            #35
            Originally posted by Haywire1 View Post
            However the way the wording is implies there are other forms an att may take other than an attached condition.
            There are but those fall into the ATC classification as well as those that do not need an att such as executors of an estate do not need an att or even a license to transport the firearms of the person in questions estate.

            Suffice to say it's as usual a very poorly worded piece of legislation. (all of c-17 and 68 are for that matter)

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            • Gunny_Guns
              Doughnut Patrol
              • Apr 2014
              • 668

              #36
              When I bought my first restricted the transfer took longer than the time it took to get my ATT!

              Edit:

              Just noticed the Ontario part
              "The problem is not the availability of guns, it is the availability of morons."
              - Antonio Meloni

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              • Shalimar
                Banned
                • Mar 2014
                • 3254

                #37
                Originally posted by Gunny_Guns View Post
                When I bought my first restricted the transfer took longer than the time it took to get my ATT!

                Edit:

                Just noticed the Bantario part

                Corrected for you

                and sadly it's country wide with such lunacy..

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                • Petamocto
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2014
                  • 7492

                  #38
                  It all depends on how willing your club rep is to keep making phone calls.

                  Using normal mail or e-mail allows them to keep putting you on the backburner.

                  As soon as your get them on the phone for one-on-one communication, it brings your file from the bottom of the pile to the top.

                  After I took the test at my range, it was pushing two weeks with not hearing anything, so my range guy made the phone call and I had the file e-mailed to him then me right away.
                  I have no signature block.

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                  • Shalimar
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 3254

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Petamocto View Post
                    It all depends on how willing your club rep is to keep making phone calls.

                    Using normal mail or e-mail allows them to keep putting you on the backburner.

                    As soon as your get them on the phone for one-on-one communication, it brings your file from the bottom of the pile to the top.

                    After I took the test at my range, it was pushing two weeks with not hearing anything, so my range guy made the phone call and I had the file e-mailed to him then me right away.
                    Assuming those that are applying for such fail to understand they do not need the club rep to get such at all. The ATT is issued from the CFC/CFO to the RPAL holder.. the club legally has no part of that process and anyone can apply for their own w/o help from any club.

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                    • Petamocto
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 7492

                      #40
                      1. Thank you for not failing to live up to my expectation of you that you must try to start a fight in every thread.

                      2. It is not that the club rep has the authority to give you the ATT, but they are a good source to keep the pressure on the CFO to see where the application is in the process. In my experience, my calls effectively saying "Where is my LT-ATT?" did not get very far, but right after my club rep called, they seemed to be more willing to help out quickly.
                      I have no signature block.

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                      • Gunny_Guns
                        Doughnut Patrol
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 668

                        #41
                        After reading though some of these posts good lord! I knew the Ontario CFO was bad, but good lord! I would have been lost trying to purchase my first restricted!
                        "The problem is not the availability of guns, it is the availability of morons."
                        - Antonio Meloni

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                        • Shalimar
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2014
                          • 3254

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Petamocto View Post
                          1. Thank you for not failing to live up to my expectation of you that you must try to start a fight in every thread.

                          2. It is not that the club rep has the authority to give you the ATT, but they are a good source to keep the pressure on the CFO to see where the application is in the process. In my experience, my calls effectively saying "Where is my LT-ATT?" did not get very far, but right after my club rep called, they seemed to be more willing to help out quickly.
                          #1.. whatever

                          #2 true in part.. however that does not equal the same as if everyone put in their applications w/o the club.. yes it could cause delays etc.. but think on the pressure it would place on the CFOs.. esp when they drag their asses and local MP's get told etc etc.. you have to look at the big picture.. not just the easy / apathetic route.

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                          • Shalimar
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2014
                            • 3254

                            #43
                            Originally posted by Gunny_Guns View Post
                            After reading though some of these posts good lord! I knew the Ontario CFO was bad, but good lord! I would have been lost trying to purchase my first restricted!
                            Wyatt is w/o any doubt a total assh*le.. as is Neidermier (sp?).. and his predecessor Savage.. Trust me I've met them all in person and dealt with their BS

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                            • greywolf67nt
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jun 2014
                              • 1274

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Mad Hatter View Post
                              CFO's have imposed a minimum 2 week waiting period for first time ATT's in Alberta I know.
                              That must be fairly new.
                              My first restricted purchase ever (in Alberta fall of 2014) I had to wait for my ATT for 20 minutes until it showed up in my email.
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