Transportation questions.

[RobertMcC]

Rcmp freind of mine I shot with said, " direct route, no stopping at canadian tire for ammo "

Doesn't mean nothing. We got a former RCMP officer that shoots with us. He stops for coffee and a bite to eat after we shoot.

[FallisCowboy]

Whole firearm system is a joke.

I'm not laughing. Did I miss something?

[RobertMcC]

I'm not laughing. Did I miss something?

And they say I don't got a sense of humor.

[greywolf67nt]

Correct me if I am wrong here but I just read the section of the Firearms Act on transportation of restricted. NOWHERE does it say ANYTHING about a route of ANY kind. it just says where you can take them.
The reasonably direct is most likely a CFO thing like being a member of a range.
If it was ONLY from home to the range and back with "thou shalt not stop" and "thou shalt not even leave the vehicle to pee" the Canadian RESTRICTED Firearms Safety Course wouldn't have the section on leaving a restricted in an unattended vehicle.
I wouldn't go to the West Edmonton Mall and leave a gun in the car that's for sure BUT if you aren't going to have it out in the parking lot at work, showing all your friends, who is going to know?

[RangeBob]

The reasonably direct is most likely a CFO thing like being a member of a range.

I believe that's in Regulation SOR-98/206 s.4: "A chief firearms officer who issues an authorization to transport shall attach to it the condition that the firearm be transported by a route that, in all the circumstances, is reasonably direct."

and, here's a legal comment

Included in those regulations is a requirement that the route taken by the firearms owner, from home to range and back or from home to gunsmith and back or from home to border crossing and back, be reasonably direct in the circumstances. This is an area of law that has yet to be litigated, so there is no jurisprudence on it. All we have is that requirement on its face.
If Mr. Trudeau were asking me for legal advice, I would tell him that going to the grocery store with your pistol in your trunk is not reasonably direct in the circumstance.
-- Solomon Friedman, Firearms Law Expert, June 10, 2015, https://sencanada.ca/en/Content/Sen/...C/33ev-52219-e

The travel from your home to a shooting range or a shooting competition always has to be the most direct route. You don't have to map it out, but law enforcement will have to do what they do every day, which is exercise common sense in their judgment to map that out. But that's a requirement in law; it always has to be the most direct route.
-- Kathy Thompson, Assistant Deputy Minister, Community Safety & Countering Crime Branch, Public Safety Canada, June 10, 2015, https://sencanada.ca/en/Content/Sen/...C/33ev-52219-e

If it was ONLY from home to the range and back with "thou shalt not stop" and "thou shalt not even leave the vehicle to pee" the Canadian RESTRICTED Firearms Safety Course wouldn't have the section on leaving a restricted in an unattended vehicle.

Good point.
Nonetheless, just because one law allows something, doesn't mean another law doesn't disallow it. We have to be in compliance with them all.

[Yogi05]

Imo, because there are instructions and conditions on leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle there must have been some anticipation of that.
Time and location of unattendance would become the issue. What would be reasonable.

[FallisCowboy]

Imo, because there are instructions and conditions on leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle there must have been some anticipation of that.
Time and location of unattendance would become the issue. What would be reasonable.

And there is that stupid R word that is so often selectively abused by our courts and bureaucrats. Apparently it is "reasonable" for an LEO to leave firearms overnight in their cars, hence the recent thefts from those cars and no charges for the LEO. But if an ordinary gun owners leaves a gun locked in her vehicle, on her driveway, for 2 hours after getting home, that is "unreasonable" and boom charges.

[Yogi05]

^^ won't disagree.
Also, define reasonable.
A truck driver is used to 1000kms a day, 50kms off route is nothing.

[aharwood]

I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.

[ESnel]

I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.

What would they be charged with? Extra points if you can even find the actual file.

[RobertMcC]

I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.

Better not open the trunk of my buddy SUV. Last time I've seen it. A box of 12 ga broke open and they were rolling around in the back for months.

[Yogi05]

What would they be charged with? Extra points if you can even find the actual file.

This might be a case mentioned on the cssa website under "legal" or something like that. Sounds familiar either way

[Yogi05]

This is not the one I was thinking of but, anyway

https://cssa-cila.org/legals/legal-storage-and-transport/

[Roland Deschain]

What if you ran out of gas, or your car broke down and had to be towed? Do you leave you pistol in the truck while you go for gas, or bring it with?

[RangeBob]

What if you ran out of gas, or your car broke down and had to be towed? Do you leave you pistol in the truck while you go for gas, or bring it with?

If it's towed, then leave it in the case, and when the taxi shows up bring it with you in the taxi.
If you walk for gas, then leave it in the truck.

Transportation of Restricted Firearms

11 An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,

(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...html#h-1020008