Transfer certificate or Registration needed for transport?

[RangeBob]

The way I see it, the NoT either IS a registration certificate, or it IS NOT a registration certificate.

The NoT is not a registration certificate.

The question is whether the NoT, which has the registration certificate number on it, is proof that you are the "holder" of a registration certificate.
Since in order to have a registration certificate number you must have a registration certificate in the CFRO database. The number is proof of, and the index to, a valid registration certificate for you and that gun (thus you are the holder in that sense), you just don't have it in your hand yet (which is holder in another sense).

The next question is if you can convince a cop of that, and then if you can convince a court of that.
It's probably cheaper & easier to wait.

[metalninja]

I did not know that I will be getting or need a new RPAL as well. My RPAL says standard conditions apply and on the back it says possession restricted and non-restricted. No other conditions are there.
Does that mean I now have to wait for a new RPAL as well?

Thanks everyone for all the great info.
I will not be taking the chance and will wait for my registration certificate to arrive before going to Range.

[labradort]

Under special conditions for the second RPAL, you would find:

"Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited handguns (12(6.1)) possessed for the purpose of target practice to and from all shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms Act."

These conditions are NOT PRINTED ON THE PLASTIC. Look at the PAPER which held the RPAL glued on. If you're like many people, that paper goes in the trash like the paper that held your banking card, etc., in the mail. It doesn't work like any other plastic card you have. This seemingly piece of "blah, blah, blah" paper holding the plastic license is part of the license! Keep it. Copy it. Carry it.

[IJ22]

The NoT is not a registration certificate.

The question is whether the NoT, which has the registration certificate number on it, is proof that you are the "holder" of a registration certificate.
Since in order to have a registration certificate number you must have a registration certificate in the CFRO database. The number is proof of, and the index to, a valid registration certificate for you and that gun (thus you are the holder in that sense), you just don't have it in your hand yet (which is holder in another sense).

The next question is if you can convince a cop of that, and then if you can convince a court of that.
It's probably cheaper & easier to wait.

Fair enough, that's way too esoteric for me. Let me rephrase thusly: All the powers vested in the little piece of paper titled "Registration Certificate" are also vested in the little piece of paper called the "Notice of Transfer (Buyer)" .

I did not know that I will be getting or need a new RPAL as well. My RPAL says standard conditions apply and on the back it says possession restricted and non-restricted. No other conditions are there.
Does that mean I now have to wait for a new RPAL as well?

You won't need to wait for your new RPAL, but DO call the CFO to confirm that the conditions have been added to your license. That should have happened automatically when your new gun was registered to you but it's a good idea to make sure. Your new license card will say "Special conditions are attached" with the paper containing the added details labradort described.

I will not be taking the chance and will wait for my registration certificate to arrive before going to Range.

A prudent choice. Unfortunate, but prudent.

Merry Christmas everyone!!

[MarkR]

It depends on backlog. It's sent from a different place. In my case they have my email address so the transfer cert is sent there. I've found it is normally within 2 weeks in my region. It's going to be slower this time of the year due to Christmas mail volume. The CFO likely would tell you 4 to 6 weeks as a canned answer since they don't have tabs on what happens at Miramachi and the like.

Last two for me have both been 1 1/2 weeks.

[MarkR]

You can wait, or you can just go shoot.
A registration certificate is not a transport document, it's a possession document. Your notice of transfer is a de facto registration certificate until your permanent one arrives.

This is exactly what I have been told also by the Canadian Firearms Program when I have called them in the past. I wanted to play it safe, and requested an ATT for my pistol that I could take with me, and they told me I already have one. The registration number is the same on the confirmation as ton the Registration certificate.

All this said, it occurred to me that there are enough questions here at GOC and CGNs, and the unlicensed cops would be even less informed; I have always just waited that couple days to a couple weeks until it arrives; it's not like I have nothing else to shoot.

I just got a new GP100 private sale from AB to Ont. Transfer took 5 weeks; the gun was 6 1/2 days in transit, 9 Business days for the Cert. to arrive. I have not shot it yet as I have not had time to load ammo... I've had brass, powder, dies and primers for some time; bullets for a week and a half, shell plate for my press for a week: Tomorrows job. LOL.

[metalninja]

Looks like I won't be going anywhere with my M&P till after new years. This was my first so I don't have anything else to shoot in the meantime.

While I wait. I still need to purchase some 9mm ammo. Since I am a member at Target Sports they dont allow steel ammo. Any recommendations?

[labradort]

I still need to purchase some 9mm ammo. Since I am a member at Target Sports they dont allow steel ammo. Any recommendations?

I would recommend a fresh posting for that question. This thread has been about licensing and restricted registration. Not trying to kill your buzz. Just don't want to see this discussion become very unfocused - everyone will have an opinion on their favorite 9mm ammo.

[sltoronto]

Looks like I won't be going anywhere with my M&P till after new years. This was my first so I don't have anything else to shoot in the meantime.

While I wait. I still need to purchase some 9mm ammo. Since I am a member at Target Sports they dont allow steel ammo. Any recommendations?

to start with CCI Brass 9mm 124gr, 1000rnd for between 220 and 250 plus tax …

at least 2 vendors (referenced often enough on this and another sites) in GTA North of Steeles and between Bayview and Woodbine
at least one of them with fee shipping with order over 300 before taxes, another one slightly cheaper in-store but no free shipping ..

[metalninja]

I would recommend a fresh posting for that question. This thread has been about licensing and restricted registration. Not trying to kill your buzz. Just don't want to see this discussion become very unfocused - everyone will have an opinion on their favorite 9mm ammo.

Thanks. Will create a new post for it.

[Stew]

ATT is part of your RPAL not the registration paper, the paperwork you got from the retailer is enough

[Grimlock]

1) Show me someone who was charged for going to the range with only the notice of transfer and not the final reg cert, or not carrying that stupid card carrier paper.

2) Don't be the first guy.

[labradort]

If the paperwork "from the retailer" is sufficient, then why is the second registration mailed from Miramachi? Here's why: they need confirmation the address on file is current. I could claim to live anywhere and receive by email a transfer notice for the retail to home trip.

Also the first RPAL doesn't include the range trip conditions, so if it's the first restricted purchase (which attaches the purpose with a range membership in my case), the RPAL doesn't match this condition of how the firearm can be transported until the second RPAL card comes in the mail.

You can take the risk and it likely won't matter. The problem with this approach is the risk of things going wrong, and then you lose the right to possess. If you enjoy the firearms privilege, that's a big risk to take.

[metalninja]

I got my RPAL with updated restrictions. It now has ATT conditions attached. No registration certificate yet. Hopefully that arrives soon.

[Justice]

"...It's a completely useless additional step..." So is Ontario's, mandated, club level, "safety" course. No law says that is required either.
Everything about the whole process is useless. It's designed to discourage new shooters and be as big a nuisance as possible.
In any case, it all depends on were you are. The Chretien Gang gave the administration of the FA to the Provinces. So every Province is different.
The registration certificate, what used to be called the Green Card, can take months to arrive. So if you haven't joined a club yet, go do that.