Ohh my mistake, I was thinking you were taking post CFSC and CRFSC (I think because you said your license expired). Not that I plan on letting mine lapse, even if I haven't taken them out for any length of time, it's good to know the safety course only needs to be taken once.
PAL/RPAL Timelines
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Ohh my mistake, I was thinking you were taking post CFSC and CRFSC (I think because you said your license expired). Not that I plan on letting mine lapse, even if I haven't taken them out for any length of time, it's good to know the safety course only needs to be taken once.
Renewed online 2019-03-28
I decided to be proactive, So, next day, on 2019-03-28 called the 1-800 number, asked if they would be requiring proof of Range Membership. Guy on the phone asked what Province I'm in, said yeah probably, gave me the e-mail address for, I assume, the CFO in Manitoba. Said email a pic of my range membership with Name, address, DOB, PAL #, and that they'd know what to do with it.
Checking status online every day and today 2019-04-05 ..............tada!
Current Status: Your application has been processed and your licence has been issued. If you have not received your licence within 2 weeks please contact the Canadian Firearms Program Toll Free number. (1-800 731-4000)
7 Days (including a weekend) ............. not too shabby!
I decided to be proactive, So, next day, on 2019-03-28 called the 1-800 number, asked if they would be requiring proof of Range Membership. Guy on the phone asked what Province I'm in, said yeah probably, gave me the e-mail address for, I assume, the CFO in Manitoba. Said email a pic of my range membership with Name, address, DOB, PAL #, and that they'd know what to do with it.
Checking status online every day and today 2019-04-05 ..............tada!
Current Status: Your application has been processed and your licence has been issued. If you have not received your licence within 2 weeks please contact the Canadian Firearms Program Toll Free number. (1-800 731-4000)
7 Days (including a weekend) ............. not too shabby!
My timeline for Ontario so far..
February 26th - CFSC
February 27th - CRFSC
March 1st - Application mailed (without course report)
March 6th - Application received in Miramichi
March 28th - Credit card charged
- Application in system, missing report
- Course report faxed
March 29th or April 1st - Application in progress
Called today and they said it was with the CFO but they wouldn’t tell me when it was sent there.
Hoping soon but I’m not too hopeful as I checked yes to 16d.
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February 26th - CFSC
February 27th - CRFSC
March 1st - Application mailed (without course report)
March 6th - Application received in Miramichi
March 28th - Credit card charged
- Application in system, missing report
- Course report faxed
March 29th or April 1st - Application in progress
Called today and they said it was with the CFO but they wouldn’t tell me when it was sent there.
Hoping soon but I’m not too hopeful as I checked yes to 16d.
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My file has been open since sep 5 2019. They told me month ago that it is in final stage with ontatio cfo. Still waiting with fingers crossed that i dont get denied.
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Don't wait, call the CFO, they won't be mad, they'll do a quick interview, stamp, stamp, mail! DONE! Mine was sitting on the bottom of the pile after a few months, called, issued SAME DAY! Get her done.
-Jamie M.
My Ontario PAL/RPAL timeline
August 31,2018 - My 10 year gun ban expired
Sept 15/16 - Took the CFSC/CRFSC courses with guns.to (for the second time)
Sept 23 - Received the CFSC/CRFSC test results/paperwork back from the course
Sept 26 at 1:46pm - Mailed PAL/RPAL application with supporting documents and letter explaining why I had to answer "yes" to question 16. C) “During the past five (5) years, have you or any member of your household been prohibited from possessing any firearm?”
Sept 28 at 2:26pm - Canada Post tracking shows application received at MIRAMICHI, NB
Oct 29 - Online PAL application status updated to "processing your application"
Nov 13 (46 days since they received my application) - Status still "processing" so called firearms center, they said it's been processed and is now with the CFO for approval. They suggested I NOT call and harass the CFO.
Nov 20 - Status still "processing" so I call the CFO. He looks over my application and says my PAL is denied because CPIC says my gun ban expires in 2021. I explain that that's impossible, all my court stuff was finished in 2008, if it's a 10 year ban, can't be until 2021. I have the $55 RCMP criminal record check printed out, shows expiry August 31, 2018, are you sure? Want me to send it to you? He says he'll look into it. Calls me about an hour later and says I was right, CPIC was wrong. Good thing I called. Boom, license issued. No references called. Said he would update CPIC in case I get pulled over with guns in the car and it shows up I'm not allowed to have them, could go real bad if that happened.
He told me my license number and expiry date but I don't want to start ordering guns online incase they start showing up before my card does, damn Canada Post strikeNow I wait.
-Jamie M.
Hey there. I have a record of theft under 5k and charges withdrawn. Sep 19 my aplication showed up online and since then it says the same. It is now with Ontario cfo. When i call they tell me to call back in couple of weeks.
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Yes i will call them tomorrow. i do have a record of theft under 5k but charges withdrawn i dont know if that plays any role in holding it back...
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Yes i will call them tomorrow. i do have a record of theft under 5k but charges withdrawn i dont know if that plays any role in holding it back...
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toysareforboys
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Don't take "we'll call you back" as an answer. Ask them "What is the name of the officer that's holding my application?" ... "It's so and so." ... "Can I please talk with them now?" if they aren't available get their phone extension so you can dial them directly.
Is theft under $5k fraud related? There are three things they consider for denying your license, fraud, violence, and sexual stuff. If it was withdrawn I don't think it should be an issue but prepared with exactly what happened to cause the charge, dates, times, people. Don't lie about anything.
Good luck!
-Jamie M.
Hey Jamie
No it is not fraud related or violence or firearms related whatsoever. Its just in CPIC. Well then i should be fine because it is nothing major.
Update
So i called today and inquired about my application and i was told it was assigned to the officer and she will look at it tomorrow. They would not give her contact information so i guess i am calling back tomorrow
I dont know. I was told that my case is assignedto officer and she was not in today. She said the officer will call me something... i would not be surprised to get denied since I am in Toronto capital of liberals.
Update:
After 75 days since they received my application today i was approves over the phone. I will have my pal handy in two weeks
After 75 days since they received my application today i was approves over the phone. I will have my pal handy in two weeks
toysareforboys
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Awesome news man! Glad they did a phone interview and you got approved! Did they ask you about the theft charges?
-Jamie M.
No questions at all. I called and she put me on hold, then thanked for waiting and told that she just approved me. No call to references nor was i interviewed. By boxing week i should be able to buy some boom sticks
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Pew pew pew! If you find some deals on guns on black friday sales this weekend don't hesitate to stamp your name on some as most retailers will allow you to put a deposit or purchase them without a PAL# and will hold them until your number/card arrives. Williams Arms, Port Perry, ON and Firearms of Canada, Ajax, ON both did that for me while I was waiting for my card to arrive in the mailNo questions at all. I called and she put me on hold, then thanked for waiting and told that she just approved me. No call to references nor was i interviewed. By boxing week i should be able to buy some boom sticks
And if you were looking to stamp your name on something AR-15 in case they ban them but grandfather current owners Williams Arms has a sweet brand new DPMS one for $695: http://williamsarms.net/newfirearms.html
And if picking up something AR-15 then S&J Hardware has an insane sale on 30/10rd magazines for $31.99, pistol capacity pew pew in full size magazine: https://www.facebook.com/sjmanufacturing/photos/a.170725632952248/2912599685431482/?type=3&theater
If purchasing something restricted this weekend you can call the CFO back and request your PAL# in advance of receiving your card so you can get the transfer started. That way you can get your restricted as quick as possible after receiving your card. If ordering online make sure you tell them not to ship it until you notify them that your card has arrived, just in case the transfer goes through before your card arrives.
-Jamie M.
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Pew pew pew! If you find some deals on guns on black friday sales this weekend don't hesitate to stamp your name on some as most retailers will allow you to put a deposit or purchase them without a PAL# and will hold them until your number/card arrives. Williams Arms, Port Perry, ON and Firearms of Canada, Ajax, ON both did that for me while I was waiting for my card to arrive in the mail
And if you were looking to stamp your name on something AR-15 in case they ban them but grandfather current owners Williams Arms has a sweet brand new DPMS one for $695: http://williamsarms.net/newfirearms.html
And if picking up something AR-15 then S&J Hardware has an insane sale on 30/10rd magazines for $31.99, pistol capacity pew pew in full size magazine: https://www.facebook.com/sjmanufacturing/photos/a.170725632952248/2912599685431482/?type=3&theater
If purchasing something restricted this weekend you can call the CFO back and request your PAL# in advance of receiving your card so you can get the transfer started. That way you can get your restricted as quick as possible after receiving your card. If ordering online make sure you tell them not to ship it until you notify them that your card has arrived, just in case the transfer goes through before your card arrives.
-Jamie M.
Thanks Jamie. Yes i will do that for sure. So black friday deals vs Christmas. which is better? I k kw they are trying to ban AR15 but...
I figured i'd share my wait time. I did my course in dec 2018. Submitted my paperwork early 2019. They received it on march 2019. My application has been with the CFO of BC for a year now. No criminal history. Just an average guy. I call every few months and nobody can give me a clear answer. I gave up on it now. I wanted to get into firearms but i kinda moved on to another passion. Sadly i just feel like my rights are just being played with...
toysareforboys
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Call CFO office, find out exactly which CFO is holding your application, ask to speak with them and if not get their direct extension. Call them until you speak with the person holding your application and ask them what the hold up is. For my friend it was "we couldn't get ahold of your ex girlfriend", ummm, she moved back with her family in Japan. Boom, license issued.
-Jamie M.
Right now I expect its going to take even longer with the offices all closed down. I lucked out I sent my renewal in online on the 15th of Feb. and they had it back in my hands by the 4th of March.
Not yet, but online beats anything else with a stick for speed. Follow up emails fo scans of range cards IIRC
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Welcome to GOC. I got my upgrade to rpal in May took 6 months. There was a new member here that applied in April and got it in June so 2 months (I don't recall if just pal or both). If you have applied recently it should be relatively quick, and will be until the courses start picking up again.
Thank you. Unfortunately I didn’t apply for my PAL/RPAL recently, it was last October when the average wait was 4-5 months. Though I’ve been waiting over 8 months now. I had made the grave error of not submitting my photo on photo paper in the first instance which delayed my application by months. Hindsight is 20/20!
I’m hoping it will be soon now that my application is with the CFO. I’ve been checking online several times a day for a LONG time now.
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Thank you. Unfortunately I didn’t apply for my PAL/RPAL recently, it was last October when the average wait was 4-5 months. Though I’ve been waiting over 8 months now. I had made the grave error of not submitting my photo on photo paper in the first instance which delayed my application by months. Hindsight is 20/20!
oh I See. Yes I heard of few people with a similar situation, I don't check the thread on cgn anymore though since I got my upgrade approved. My suggestion is to call in and ask if there is anything else that is holding it up. IMO it should've been by now. Mine was 2 weeks longer than a friend of mine because I had a box ticked [the layoff box] and my explanation was "due to the covid 19 and seasonal nature of my job I have had intermittent layoffs in the past 2 years" so I was set aside until they contacted me to discuss my 'seasonal layoff' to ensure that they never caused financial hardship. IMO unless there is something else holding it up you should be g2g by now. I was seeing on CGN that around the time I was approved the process had really sped up for most people.
I phoned last at the end of June and they advised to phone back at the end of July. Hopefully it will be approved before then!
If you have the reference number from checking online, have your references call in with that number. When they call people it’s “unknown caller” and typically nobody leaves the names right in their voicemail to allow them to leave a message. That’s a typical bottleneck.
Just completed the paperwork and photo to renew my 92 year old father’s PAL, which he let expire. Fortunately he has no firearms at this point. Or so he tells me. He’s part of the “it’s none of the government’s damn business” era.
He wasn’t going to renew, but recently decided he wasn’t going to abandon the fight or his freedom to use a long gun to as he puts it - that “f^%king Trudeau” even if he never shoots or hunts again. Anyway, today is July 9 2021, I’ll advise when he gets it. Likely take about 7 months now due to the now in force “lifetime background checks” which we all know make us soooo much safer. He also said he feels like he just made some Liberal snowflake cry.
He wasn’t going to renew, but recently decided he wasn’t going to abandon the fight or his freedom to use a long gun to as he puts it - that “f^%king Trudeau” even if he never shoots or hunts again. Anyway, today is July 9 2021, I’ll advise when he gets it. Likely take about 7 months now due to the now in force “lifetime background checks” which we all know make us soooo much safer. He also said he feels like he just made some Liberal snowflake cry.
Born around 1929.
Computer records are pretty good after 1998.
Criminal convictions are pretty good on computer, at least after 1970. But anything else computerized is probably shaky between 1970 and 1998.
My bet is anything other than convictions before 1960 isn't computerized.
Doing do diligence on a 'lifetime' ought to be fun for some Canadian Firearms Program employee. They could spend a lifetime at it.
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from what I saw on the CGN thread and my own experience references aren't being contacted ATM.
Entirely possible, but if he’s got a stalled application check all possible boxes. That is/was a frequent delay. If you’ve got anything else he can try to check to move it along, enlighten us. Slow processing and how to speed it up is why the CGN thread and ones like this exist.
The phone call/message problem might even be affecting calls to him depending on what his voicemail says for leaving a message.
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I agree there is SOMETHING holding it up, and it could be the ref check, but like I said I don't think they are even checking them (at least mine weren't contacted 2 months ago, along with everyone on the cgn thread up to that point)
This is true. I once had a renewal held up because I checked off the mailing address was the same as the billing address ( or vice versa), but didn’t fill out the same address in the billing fields. Guess they can’t read their own forms.
