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I didn't know where to put this but since very knowledgeable members also pick through here I thought why not.

I never sold a restricted (online) . How would someone go about shipping the firearm? I'm in QC, what if someone from BC wants it, do I add shipping costs to the price, what carrier to use, (some give more problems than others) Gun box has to be locked, do I mail the new owner the keys? Stupid I know but like I said, I'm new at this and I have one to sell and I don't want to limit myself to local sale.

Thanks for any advice ;)
 
The best way to go is to include shipping. If you don't, you're going to get 10 tire kickers asking you how much to ship to xyz. Put down that you'll offer a discount (price of shipping) for a local sale. GET THE MONEY BEFORE CALLING IN AND STARTING A TRANSFER !!!)

Put a trigger lock on it. Put it in a box or case that fairly sturdy (read: can't be broken open easily). Don't put any markings on the outside of it that indicate there's a gun inside (brown paper wrapper type stuff). Ship via Canada Post, registered/signature required.

It does not have to be in a locked gun box. I've received restricted forearms right from dealers with just the little screw together type trigger locks and nothing more. The whole idea of trigger locks and locked plastic boxes providing security of any kind is a complete farce anyway. The cheapest method is to cable tie the trigger back. Put it in a good sturdy cardboard box with LOTS lot padding so the heathens at Canada Post don't damage anything. Put lots of tape on the box, including all the corners to lessen the chance of it being accidently broken open (see: Can Post heathens again). Name address, and return address only on the outside. Do NOT write : fragile: gun inside, or anything of the sort. If the folks at the post office ask what it is, tell them it's a car part. It's nobody's business that you're shipping a gun through Canada Post, and it's the ONLY legal way to ship restricted stuff in Canada.
 
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I have received 3 firearms recently from different dealers. All three came in their original box, unlocked and the boxes wrapped in brown paper with just my name and address. I had to sign for them of course so they had been registered. One dealer in Quebec would not send me the firearm until I had received my registration certificate from the CFO. The other 2 came before the certificates. Two of the dealers had included shipping in the price (so I don't know the cost) the other charged $40.00. All came through Canada Post as blacksmithden stated. Money first I guess.
 
^^^ If the gun was registered to you (according to the transfer) why would he keep YOUR gun till you received your proof or registration?
Sorry for asking questions I already have the answer (@ coverage)
 
Anyone took insurance on the packages?
I don't think they will insure for more than $500 what of the rest?
 
"...include shipping..." And insurance.
"Fragile" means "Throw this." in Postal Latin. "Gun inside." means "Steal this." Like blacksmithden says, what's in the package is not their business.
 
Kobs said:
Anyone took insurance on the packages?
I don't think they will insure for more than $500 what of the rest?
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I always add insurance(and signature), its something like $1.50 per $100, express and priority come with $100 insurance automatically, but still always ask for it anyways.
Pretty sure the max insurance is a few thousand.
 
So as plain as possible, shipped Canada post, insured for the price the new buyer paid for (just in case) and hope for the best .

In case of package lost, What happens? Who has to file, shipper or receiver? Is there a time limit before filing?
Does it have to be reported to authorities as a stolen firearm?
 
Kobs said:
So as plain as possible, shipped Canada post, insured for the price the new buyer paid for (just in case) and hope for the best .

In case of package lost, What happens? Who has to file, shipper or receiver? Is there a time limit before filing?
Does it have to be reported to authorities as a stolen firearm?
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Sender always has to file. Signature on delivery to prevent fraud.
 
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It does not have to be in a locked gun box. I've received restricted forearms right from dealers with just the little screw together type trigger locks and nothing more. The whole idea of trigger locks and locked plastic boxes providing security of any kind is a complete farce anyway. The cheapest method is to cable tie the trigger back. Put it in a good sturdy cardboard box with LOTS lot padding so the heathens at Canada Post don't damage anything. Put lots of tape on the box, including all the corners to lessen the chance of it being accidently broken open (see: Can Post heathens again). Name address, and return address only on the outside. Do NOT write : fragile: gun inside, or anything of the sort. If the folks at the post office ask what it is, tell them it's a car part. It's nobody's business that you're shipping a gun through Canada Post, and it's the ONLY legal way to ship restricted stuff in Canada.
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I was going to use cheap combination lock and trigger lock and send the numbers through e-mail just to be "law compliant". I have the original gun case so that's out of the way. I never told the truth when they asked me what was in the packages anyways loll. For this I was thinking clutch disk lol
 
Only ship to the address on the PAL that the CFC has verified.

(You might put the TO address on both sides. A technique for theft is to cover the shipping label with a sticker while in transit, and then the post office delivers it to the thief's address)
 
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^^^ Good point, I'm guessing when you call for the transfer they tell you the addy of the RPAL owner too right? The license could be stolen or used as a straw purchase (someone buys it and tells you to send it to someone else with no RPAL)
 
I always tell them "it's just some sporting goods" - my local post office lady thinks I play a lot of golf.
 
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^^^ Good point, I'm guessing when you call for the transfer they tell you the addy of the RPAL owner too right?
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Presumably when you get the PAL# from the buyer, the buyer will also give you their address.
Indeed it would be odd for the buyer to give you money without an address to ship it to.

You give both (and other stuff) to the CFC, and let them verify it all.
 
Oh, ok i was under the impression that when you call to start the transfer and give the PAL# of the buyer, THEY would give you an address to verify. Same thing
Yeah if the guy sends me money without giving me an address, it would be odd no doubt lol
 
When the buyer calls in to complete the transfer, the CFC will ask them their town/city of birth. That's one of their trip up checks. If the person can't answer, the transfer won't go forward, and will no doubt be flagged for investigation of some type. You need to wait for a mail notification that the transfer has been completed. You can then send them their firearm.

As far as insurance goes.....it isn't worth a ball of spit if the sender can't prove how much the item was valued at. In your case, you would need to provide an original sales receipt for the gun. If you don't have that, you're going to have one hell of a fight on your hands. Of course, they never seem to mention that. I can only think of once that I've bought shipping insurance from Canada Post, and it wasn't for a gun.

If a restricted firearm doesn't show up, and CP is just giving you the "too bad so sad" routine, start asking for names and addresses and inform them what was in the package. Tell them you need the information for when you call into the RCMP to report it, and that they will no doubt be investigating what happened to the package. It's kind of amazing how things mysteriously turn up when the cops get involved with their internal BS.
 
I do have the original receipt from the store I bought it from it was new, but what if I told them it was say a clutch disk loll

Thank you all, specially blacksmithden for the great info you provided. In just a few posts I've learned a lot on how to do things and specially what not to do. Thanks for sharing your knowledge it's greatly appreciated.
 
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Kobs said:
I do have the original receipt from the store I bought it from it was new, but what if I told them it was say a clutch disk loll

Thank you all, specially blacksmithden for the great info you provided. In just a few posts I've learned a lot on how to do things and specially what not to do. Thanks for sharing your knowledge it's greatly appreciated.
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You could always say that it's "sporting goods". Wouldn't be a lie, and it's vague enough that they wouldn't be able to guess what's in it.
 
I didn't see it mentioned here, but I believe you also must still ship firearms ground. Watching the tracking on a package from BC to Ontario slowly update over a week or so while 'The Littlest Hobo' theme plays in my head, or sometimes 'The Lonely Man' piano theme from the Incredible Hulk TV show, is a sad, sad thing.
 
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