Two Part license question

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Part 1 --

Shortly I'm going to be signing up to do my PAL w/R course, and though I fully intend to pass both tests a thought came to mind and I figured this would be a good place to ask.

Can a person pass their PAL but fail their RPAL and still be given their PAL or do they have to pass both given the person has signed up for the courses to do both? I realise a person can sign up ONLY for the PAL and pass that alone, but I was just curious how it works when a person signs up for both at the same time.

Part 2 --

The range my husband and I go to offers three options for licensing. #1 PAL alone, #2 PAL with RPAL, and #3 PAL, RPAL and OHEP (Ontario Hunter Education Program). The third option gives the greatest value (course fees are lower when combining them) and the range has suggested I take the third option. I do not, however, plan to hunt (but you never know what the future will bring). My question is this: would it be worthwhile taking it to have it under my belt?
 
Its pretty hard to fail the PAL or RPAL course. You basically have to attempt to shoot one or have the mental capacity of a trudeau supporter. If you some how fail the RPAL you should still get the PAL. I have never heard of anyone failing the course.

If you have any interest in hunting I would take it. Or even if you just want to learn something new take it. I am kinda cheap so I would just take option 2
 
If you at some point in the future you may find yourself with someone (husband?) while they hunt, it's best to have the OHEP and a small game license for yourself even if your not hunting. The wood cops will assume your hunting, even if your not and there's a rifle or shotgun in the group.
 
Forbes/Hutton said:
If you at some point in the future you may find yourself with someone (husband?) while they hunt, it's best to have the OHEP and a small game license for yourself even if your not hunting. The wood cops will assume your hunting, even if your not and there's a rifle or shotgun in the group.
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Excellent point!
 
Gnome7500 said:
Its pretty hard to fail the PAL or RPAL course. You basically have to attempt to shoot one or have the mental capacity of a trudeau supporter. If you some how fail the RPAL you should still get the PAL. I have never heard of anyone failing the course.

If you have any interest in hunting I would take it. Or even if you just want to learn something new take it. I am kinda cheap so I would just take option 2
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Good to know! I don't vote Liberal, so I think I'm safe. :)

The difference in cost between the PAL/RPAL and the PAL/RPAL/OHEP is less than $100, whereas the OEHP is $190 on its own.
 
I would take all three together and get it over with, was going to take PAL first and so forth but someone recommended doing the RPAL together with PAL and I'm forever grateful for that advice.
 
I agree with the above poster that I've never heard of someone passing one and failing the other.

Generally you're talking about a practical handling test that you're either competent on or you're not, and as long as you don't wave the handguns around you'll be fine.

The RPAL is really just about the extra usage laws and storage requirements.

If I were you I'd take the hunter safety course, too. Even if you don't plan on hunting, it does teach extra things about firearm use and ownership that you don't get on the PAL courses.
 
"...and there's a rifle or shotgun..." That'd be if there's more than one firearm and 2 people in the blind both are assumed to be hunting. Mind you, Ontario's definition of 'hunting' covers just being there. A little CYA goes a long way.
"...RPAL is really just about the extra usage laws and..." Handling test and possession laws as well.
The whole thing is mostly about how much money you want to spend. Costs less to do the PAL(that you have to have to get the RPAL) and RPAL at the same time. Hunter's safety is mostly about the game laws and shooting safety in the field.
 
r5s78 said:
Good to know! I don't vote Liberal, so I think I'm safe. :)

The difference in cost between the PAL/RPAL and the PAL/RPAL/OHEP is less than $100, whereas the OEHP is $190 on its own.
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Holy MoneyGrab Batman!
Is it $190 even with the other two courses?

I'd say take it, every extra bit of knowledge is a good thing, but for $200 I can see why people wouldn't.
 
Just to echo the others, the hunter safety course was put on after my PAL course. I wasn't going to go cause I had no interest at the time, but I decided to take it anyways.
Lucky I did, went deer hunting soon after and I was hooked.

Also to echo the above, it'd be extremely hard for anyone who pays attention to fail either PAL courses.
I assume they're still doing hands on with deactivated firearms, knowing how to safety check firearms you're unfamiliar with would be the most difficult part.
All I did was ask the instructor how to work the firearm first if I was unfamiliar with it. Where's the magazine release? There? Thank you.
They can't possibly expect you to know how every firearm works, but you are expected to handle everyone as if it was loaded. So keep the muzzle in a safe direction,
and your finger off the trigger.
 
When I did the course, It was 2 days NR, than last day was restricted. If you signed up for both.

Only thing with restricted, shorter the barrel, the easier it is to wave around. Only thing I could see someone failing for. Is sweeping someone with a muzzle. If you pass the NR, no reason why you should fail the Restricted.
 
My course experience. YMMV.

PAL was one saturday instruction, one Sunday morning handling, then the exam written and practical.

RPAL was the following Saturday instruction, one Sunday morning handling then the exam written and practical.

Instructor told those coming back for the second weekend to not send in our application until we finished both. That way would we check the appropriate box on the application for PAL if that's all we passed or both PAL and RPAL if we didn't. It also affected the fee we paid with the application.

So in short, too late, it is possible to pass only the PAL and still get the license. The other way not so much as the first level is a requisite for the second.

Rare but it happened in my class. One person couldn't handle the muzzle and kept pointing it outside of the safe direction promoted by the instructor all weekend long. I recall he said he would just continue bow hunting then.

FWIW.

Cheers.

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Also even if you don't intend to hunt, with a hunting license you can walk around the woods with a loaded rifle and plink poisonous mushrooms or whatever. So there's that. Safety first though, of course. Also if you go target shooting in the woods you don't have to worry about proving you're not hunting.
 
When my son took his Pal/RPal he was the only one who passed the RPal. A friend of mine was the examiner and said the failures were epic.
 
Rory McCanuck said:
Holy MoneyGrab Batman!
Is it $190 even with the other two courses?

I'd say take it, every extra bit of knowledge is a good thing, but for $200 I can see why people wouldn't.
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Rather than being around $600 for all three courses it works out to around $450 for all three courses if I sign up for them all at once.




*edited to change $cost of courses, I went back and looked again
 
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Lee Enfield said:
When my son took his Pal/RPal he was the only one who passed the RPal. A friend of mine was the examiner and said the failures were epic.
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Did he give any indication as to what the students did wrong to fail?
 
r5s78 said:
Rather than being around $600 for all three courses it works out to around $450 for all three courses if I sign up for them all at once.




*edited to change $cost of courses, I went back and looked again
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Whoah.....WHAT ???? How much are they charging if you just do the PAL and RPAL together ?!?! Either lunch had better be included, Im missing something, or that had better include both of you.
 
blacksmithden said:
Whoah.....WHAT ???? How much are they charging if you just do the PAL and RPAL together ?!?! Either lunch had better be included, Im missing something, or that had better include both of you.
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Sounds about right for Ontari-owe. IIRC it was 160-ish for my PAL, had to pass that before I could reserve a spot in the RPAL course, another 100-odd for my RPAL, plus another 100-ish for ammo, then the hunter's course I had to wait for one to come up, and it was somewhere in the mid/high 100's and it involved a 2 hours drive each way on a February day that ended up being a blizzard... add my range key and holster course, we're in the 800 ballpark. plus 350 a year

edit - they did feed us though, all of them
oh yeah I forgot the turkey course. Well at least that's gone now
 
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My courses costed whatever it was to send the paperwork in. $80?

Ammo cost? They had you actually shoot?
 
Yes! That was the 2nd day of the restricted course. Instructor had soooo many different guns, I just had to buy some different calibers
 
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