Complaints about the forum being slow

[Doug_M]

Your Flickr image is 404. If I recall it had 3 or 4 CDNs all of which are important (unless you have a hate on for Tapatalk).

I agree about Chrome though. It is essentially spyware and I wouldn't push it on anyone. Regardless, in 2018 Edge and up to date versions of FireFox, Chrome and Safari all render websites nearly identically as they all support standards. Yes some introduce newer proposed HTML features before others but GOC isn't pushing those boundaries.

[glockfan]

for the first time ever, i started to suffer from the same symptomatics than many here.

my take is that.there's a registred user who play with the forum's security system ghost style.

that means ,each time he log in,he bomb the defense system with small viruses ,and the systems gets clogged with more job to accomplish,which drains the power allowed for the '''clock''' to turn at the right speed ,which in turn gets the users a slow forum.

[LB303]

Quote function not working today in FF, that's a first for me
I believe chuckbuster was noting the same problem in Chrome, over on the Laugh thread

[LB303]

Editing post 123 didn't work, had to restart browser.

Also wanted to note that uploading pics hasn't worked for me since a week or more ago.
Gone back to web-hosted.

[LB303]

After reading Boolet's comments I looked at my security settings and checked a couple boxes that probably should have been checked to begin with.
Now just about every page takes a few seconds extra to load. And all of the aforementioned lack of functionality persists.
Pardon my out-of date knowledge.. Is this a next-generation DoS campaign against GOC by pinkos?

[Booletsnotreactwell]

Your Flickr image is 404. If I recall it had 3 or 4 CDNs all of which are important (unless you have a hate on for Tapatalk).

I agree about Chrome though. It is essentially spyware and I wouldn't push it on anyone. Regardless, in 2018 Edge and up to date versions of FireFox, Chrome and Safari all render websites nearly identically as they all support standards. Yes some introduce newer proposed HTML features before others but GOC isn't pushing those boundaries.

Apparently the Flickr server my image is on is down...

Right now I'm fully blocking 13 services on this site, it's the following domains bellow including all the sub domains,

ajax.googleapis.com
editmysite.com
google-analytics.com
gstatic
tapatalk.com

Also no remote fonts allowed, no media elements larger than 50kB, Javascript ONLY allowed for the first party domain and the site works perfectly, all buttons and functions work fine. Also have the Canvas API blocked completely (what they use to browser finger print)

The site just went back up, it's blazing fast right now for me and that's using Firefox with my 1%'er config right there blocking all the crap. So I'd say those CDN's are not important.

Funny that the site is working perfectly now, didn't need Chrome after all.

(unless you have a hate on for Tapatalk).

I have a general hate for web 2.0 especially websites running stuff they don't need. Half the stuff you see on websites now isn't need, it could actually be done just as nice in HTML. This site isn't actually that bad in that realm I've seen sites I visit with something like 40 domains/subdomains being connected to in the background.

The problem is nowadays people aren't getting viruses from downloading a file off Kazaa and forgetting to scan it. The #1 way people are getting "owned" as they call it is from malicious scripts injected into ads. Ad/Script blocking is the new AV and websites loaded with ads/third party crap, scripts when there doesn't need to be, etc aren't helping. Or when websites don't run off Firefox because it's higher privacy settings block third party crap and the recommendation given is to stop using Firefox.

After reading Boolet's comments I looked at my security settings and checked a couple boxes that probably should have been checked to begin with.

Best thing you can do, without getting too technical or requiring too much user input/technical savvyness. Use FF with security/privacy settings turned to the max and download/use the extension called uBlock Origin simply with the stock settings it uses out of the box, set it and forget it. Should load up 99% of web pages without ever "breaking" anything and exponentially increases your security. If anything ever breaks/doesn't load properly just click the big blue button to disable it. That tool has a lot of advanced features should one want to learn but in it's default config it comes in with the training wheels on it's still very powerful without requiring any knowledge/input.

[Doug_M]

I have a general hate for web 2.0 especially websites running stuff they don't need. Half the stuff you see on websites now isn't need, it could actually be done just as nice in HTML. This site isn't actually that bad in that realm I've seen sites I visit with something like 40 domains/subdomains being connected to in the background.

Vbulletin and the other popular forum software are not web 2.0. However, like web 2.0, they generate HTML dynamically. Unlike web 2.0, they do it from the server rather than the client (via asynchronous requests to the server). I'd wager a little 2.0 has crept into Vbulletin, but not much. Regardless, the days of static HTML are long gone because sites data driven which means a server script reading a database and generating a page on the fly.

As an aside, what we've been calling web 2.0 actually isn't. Web 2.0 was more just about styling. The current web hasn't been named thankfully, though the programming technique used throughout much of it is called AJAX. Stands for "asynchronous Javascript and XML". Which simply means bits and pieces of the web page can be loaded separately without the entire page having to reload/refresh and without "freezing" the web page while that is happening. And that is here to stay simply because most content isn't static anymore.

As for all the CDN's I agree. When I create sites I avoid them. I may use the same toolkit, framework or fonts etc, but I download them locally to the web server and use them that way. But others use CDN's as it offloads some of the bandwidth to the CDN.

I'm going to experiment with uBlock Origin, thanks for the tip!

[RangeBob]

uBlock Origin

ajax.googleapis.com
editmysite.com
google-analytics.com
gstatic
tapatalk.com

Also no remote fonts allowed, no media elements larger than 50kB, Javascript ONLY allowed for the first party domain and the site works perfectly, all buttons and functions work fine. Also have the Canvas API blocked completely (what they use to browser finger print)

I tried those except the two below, and I'm not getting a speed up.

1) how do I "Javascript ONLY allowed for the first party domain"
2) how do I "Canvas API blocked"

[RangeBob]

I clicked to disable "Javascript on this site" in uBlock, and that seems to have sped things up quite a bit.
And edit post SAVE works now, as does Reply With Quote.

[Booletsnotreactwell]

2) how do I "Canvas API blocked"

Don't do that, that's really something for hardcore types and not for everyday use, you will break some pages namely financial institutions, company ms azure portals and the likes and it won't throw an error so you won't even know it's happening it'll just look like the site doesn't work.

Long and short of it, Firefox imported features found in TOR browser. In case you don't know TOR browser is a modded version of FF that people use to browse the bad parts of the internet. FF found that some of it's features were very useful for privacy/security and built them into the recent FF builds but they are not activated by default. If one wants to go this route or learn about whats involved open up your favorite search engine and type "Firefox hardened about:config".

I tried those except the two below, and I'm not getting a speed up.

1) how do I "Javascript ONLY allowed for the first party domain"

If you're using uBlock the following symbol </> next to the A icon at the bottom of the uBlock widget on your browser tool bar is the toggle to enable/disable javascript. uBlock in non-advanced user mode does not allow fine granular control, you basically allow or deny it for the whole site (and all accompanying domains). For me it was basically first party only (gunownersofcanada.ca) because I had all the other domains blocked. Domain blocking is only available if one selects "I am advanced user" settings first, or else it's just a basic ad blocker. In advanced mode a whole new tab is now opened up and there's an option clearly labeled 1st-party scripts that you can enable/disable.

And that is here to stay simply because most content isn't static anymore.

I kind of like the way we used to do dynamic content before. You clicked the "Play Video" icon and it opened up realplayer and streamed. Before I discovered ad-blocking I used VLC media player as a ghetto ad-blocker for Youtube. You can play videos in VLC by pasting the link of the Youtube video into VLC and have it stream to it.

I'm going to experiment with uBlock Origin, thanks for the tip!

Oh how does someone like yourself not know about this, to be fair I didn't know until last year (or that news groups still hosted binaries lol) but basically from what I've seen everyone in the know now on the web is using it (or uMatrix if they are really advanced users).

In the default training wheels mode it's basically like an old school ad blocker, it uses hosts files to block ad domains except without the pain in the ass of having to re-download hosts files, updated them on your computer, etc. There's many built in hosts lists to chose from to activate, I run all of them except 2 and no website is "broken", just ads removed.

The real fun though starts when you get to script/domain/content blocking with the advanced settings enabled. If you set it to default deny mode all scripts, CSS, Java, etc are all blocked by default. For an easier time you can set the default to allow and block what you see fit but in default deny mode basically every website you go to will be "broken". You now have to manually white list domains/scripts/content until the website works, dissecting it all, hitting refresh, seeing if it makes the site and all the functions work now and if not try some more. It's a huge pain in the ass (I definitely thought it was and almost rage quit) but if you stick to it (you don't visit new sites everyday) within about 6 months you will have built up a huge white/black list and have most if not all your websites setup to work when you visit them while blocking all the crappy content/CDN's/trackers, etc and you might only have to white/black list a thing or two every session.

Once you got it setup right it's basically like a premium internet, your not using the same internet other people are using and you'll wonder how people get by without such tools.


Oh and just to provide an update on the websites status, for me it's still running good. Excellent, Excellent, Wayne's world.

[Doug_M]

Oh how does someone like yourself not know about this, to be fair I didn't know until last year (or that news groups still hosted binaries lol) but basically from what I've seen everyone in the know now on the web is using it (or uMatrix if they are really advanced users).

Ads generally don't bother me, but lately certain news web sites have become incredibly annoying. As you scroll down to read the article the page starts jumping as this and and that video is inserted into the DOM. It was just starting to reach peak annoying when you mentioned this addon. Lots to learn about it and start tweaking!

I've started a thread for people to post their browser tips (not specific to GOC) here: https://www.gunownersofcanada.ca/sho...Web-Savvy-Tips

I quoted all your uBlockit text from this thread.

[wrencher]

still messed up

With all the people having the same slow issues , has anyone got a fix ? GOC loads instantly then anything after that is so slow I could make a sandwich in between. I don't hear any more complaints so is everyone solved the issue ??
This is a awesome site and would like to continue reading but not like this.
Thanks

[Battle Beaver]

Not solved for me, same issues. Anything other than the start page is painfully slow on ALL platforms (Pixel phone, iPad Pro, 4 different computers) and all browsers (Safari, Chrome, IE, Edge and Firefox). Brutal.

Southern Ontario (Rogers ISP)

This is the ONLY site I'm experiencing issues on.

Battle Beaver

[TJSpeller]

I have also been experiencing slowness for several weeks. Not always present, and it doesn't depend on browser or my location (home or work)

[Forbes/Hutton]

I have no way to post using Chrome, not "reply to thread", "reply" or "reply with quote". If I hit any of those, the box you (I) type in turns a mid grey colour, but nothing appears when I type.

I had to switch over to Explorer just to post this. I feel dirty now.