Fix the damned punctuation

Like the Firearms Act?

Exactly like the Firearms Act.

The Conservatives had an opportunity to change the Act like they'd promised, and had they done so, could have counted on gun owners votes in perpetuity. Now? Gun owners know they are another political football, and are to be treated as such.
 
Exactly like the Firearms Act.

The Conservatives had an opportunity to change the Act like they'd promised, and had they done so, could have counted on gun owners votes in perpetuity. Now? Gun owners know they are another political football, and are to be treated as such.

Not much different from the Lieberals or Dippers then, those other two have promised to fix or bring about changes in many aspects of our life yet seldom deliver but they still get to collect plenty of votes each election cycle.

People/sheeple/voters, whatever you want to call them are on the whole low information, gullible simpletons who are easy to manipulate and lead.

I think you need to try and let go and get over your hurt from feeling that the conservatives tricked or cheated you and realize all the politicians of all stripes do the exact same thing and instead try to pick the one who does the least amount of damage to the country and who screws you over the least.

Dwelling on something that happened before that hurt your feeling only really hurts you more than you them by saying your not happy how they treated you before.

Did you hate your dad or mom when they tricked or lied to you when you where young? no you didn't, because you grew up and realized that sometimes thing go differently then you wanted but you still survived.

Constantly harping on about the firearms Act and the conservatives does not make you right and them wrong, all it does is make you look small minded and petty.
 
Constantly harping on about the firearms Act and the conservatives does not make you right and them wrong, all it does is make you look small minded and petty.

I will never forgive, nor forget, how the globalist CPC lied their faces off to gun owners.

How that makes me look in your eyes isn't of the slightest interest to me.
 
The glitch with question marks auto replacing apostrophes remains though, what a royal pain in the ass.

Adding insult to injury,
frequently I post a news article, having forgotten to fix the punctuation, but don't get a "are you human?";
and then I fix the punctuation to make it readable, and [size=+1]then[/size] I get a "are you human?".
 
There is an advantage to this forum supporting an older character set (like ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252 - I'm not sure which GOC supports and I'm not going to spend 5 minutes viewing the source to find out) versus modern character sets like UTF-8.

Namely that there is added effort involved in building web-scrapes to automate extraction of data.

It's not hard to implement, but given the volume of data on this site, the effort involved in sanitizing the data through string conversions is enormous, especially when there are other comparable sites with a higher user base, more active traffic, better supported character sets, that are more visible in the public through SEO.

Translation: It's harder (but not impossible) and less rewarding for someone such as hackers or government agencies to extract meaningful information from this forum in an automated fashion.

Hackers/Spies are kind of like those guys who go around bars, parties, raves, etc. looking for intoxicated women to take home for the night (or to the back alley for 10 minutes).

GOC is kind of like a poorly lit hole in the wall pub like Moe's Tavern in the Simpson with no attractive women and a bunch of old, disgusting barfly drunks.

Technically, a hacker/malicious government agent could come in here to spy on us, but it would be pretty boring, uninteresting, and unlikely to come up with anything worth while.

As you all know, there are other gun sites that are more like a Burning Man festival full of women on ecstasy desperate for a 5 minute fling.
 
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GOC is kind of like a poorly lit hole in the wall pub like Moe's Tavern in the Simpson with no attractive women and a bunch of old, disgusting barfly drunks.
Probably the best description of GOC I've read.
Feels like a personal attack, but it's true, so no infraction ;D
 
Probably the best description of GOC I've read.
Feels like a personal attack, but it's true, so no infraction ;D

Give him credit, he did discover another way to make money,

...a poorly lit hole in the wall.
 
There is an advantage to this forum supporting an older character set (like ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252 - I'm not sure which GOC supports and I'm not going to spend 5 minutes viewing the source to find out) versus modern character sets like UTF-8.

Namely that there is added effort involved in building web-scrapes to automate extraction of data.

It's not hard to implement, but given the volume of data on this site, the effort involved in sanitizing the data through string conversions is enormous, especially when there are other comparable sites with a higher user base, more active traffic, better supported character sets, that are more visible in the public through SEO.

Translation: It's harder (but not impossible) and less rewarding for someone such as hackers or government agencies to extract meaningful information from this forum in an automated fashion.

Hackers/Spies are kind of like those guys who go around bars, parties, raves, etc. looking for intoxicated women to take home for the night (or to the back alley for 10 minutes).

GOC is kind of like a poorly lit hole in the wall pub like Moe's Tavern in the Simpson with no attractive women and a bunch of old, disgusting barfly drunks.

Technically, a hacker/malicious government agent could come in here to spy on us, but it would be pretty boring, uninteresting, and unlikely to come up with anything worth while.

As you all know, there are other gun sites that are more like a Burning Man festival full of women on ecstasy desperate for a 5 minute fling.


Wait a minute, I've spent all this time grooming Camo and there has been this other place the whole time? Damn harble, why didn't you tell me?
 
GOC is kind of like a poorly lit hole in the wall pub like Moe's Tavern in the Simpson with no attractive women and a bunch of old, disgusting barfly drunks.

Technically, a hacker/malicious government agent could come in here to spy on us, but it would be pretty boring, uninteresting, and unlikely to come up with anything worth while.

As you all know, there are other gun sites that are more like a Burning Man festival full of women on ecstasy desperate for a 5 minute fling.

Sorry to hear that GOC doesn't live up to the excitement level you expect (beyond BB's potato debauchery) but the GOC'ers I know (that I have met in person or have corresponded with outside of the forum, hell I've even worked with at least one of you) have all been interesting, knowledgeable and outgoing individuals. Most if not all are also very proficient and successful in their occupations away from GOC, another sign of a well-balanced lifestyle.

Speaking for myself only, I have plenty of contacts should I need actual technical advice so my main reason to take up bandwidth on GOC is to commiserate with like-minded individuals trying to navigate the obstructions a worried/scared/vindicative government keeps throwing in our path. Other reasons include following the projects others have undertaken, be they old rifles brought back to life (FALover), old vehicles (normmus), bad ideas combined with questionable shortcuts (BSD), fighting off the evils of capitalism (aniest), that pinked guy (f*ck him), competitive shooting (Dewey, R&R), the charmed life (2012Cvoguy), soulchaser's dank political underbelly updates and many others that chime in with an update on something that interests them or affects us as a group. IMO we need more motorcycle content and more fishing content (especially ice fishing) and I'm just as guilty of not doing exactly that.

I see this as a relaxed atmosphere, less competitive and more like you're sitting around ribbing your buddies over something. Never have I thought of my GOC compadres as "old, disgusting barfly drunks" nor expected a Burning Man experience, complete with ecstasy and quickies. I suppose if that's your kink these days M1917 might be kind enough to arrange a hook-up for you with Stinky. I doubt there would be any ecstasy for either of you, it probably wouldn't last 5 minutes but guaranteed afterwards you'd be burning, man.
 
There is an advantage to this forum supporting an older character set (like ISO-8859-1 or Windows-1252 - I'm not sure which GOC supports and I'm not going to spend 5 minutes viewing the source to find out) versus modern character sets like UTF-8.

Oh yeah, VERY hard to find out the character set GOC is using.... oh, wait, no it's not, 3rd line of the code, took 1 second.

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" />

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Oh yeah, VERY hard to find out the character set GOC is using.... oh, wait, no it's not, 3rd line of the code, took 1 second.

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" />

View attachment 63735

It would take 5 minutes because I can never spend 1 second looking for a single line of code, but 4:59 looking for bugs.

Remember, I'm not a Programmer. I'm a Test Engineer.
 
It would take 5 minutes because I can never spend 1 second looking for a single line of code, but 4:59 looking for bugs.

Remember, I'm not a Programmer. I'm a Test Engineer.

That sounds like government work mentality. I'll have my friend Elon visit your employer...
 
Sorry to hear that GOC doesn't live up to the excitement level you expect (beyond BB's potato debauchery) but the GOC'ers I know (that I have met in person or have corresponded with outside of the forum, hell I've even worked with at least one of you) have all been interesting, knowledgeable and outgoing individuals. Most if not all are also very proficient and successful in their occupations away from GOC, another sign of a well-balanced lifestyle.

Speaking for myself only, I have plenty of contacts should I need actual technical advice so my main reason to take up bandwidth on GOC is to commiserate with like-minded individuals trying to navigate the obstructions a worried/scared/vindicative government keeps throwing in our path. Other reasons include following the projects others have undertaken, be they old rifles brought back to life (FALover), old vehicles (normmus), bad ideas combined with questionable shortcuts (BSD), fighting off the evils of capitalism (aniest), that pinked guy (f*ck him), competitive shooting (Dewey, R&R), the charmed life (2012Cvoguy), soulchaser's dank political underbelly updates and many others that chime in with an update on something that interests them or affects us as a group. IMO we need more motorcycle content and more fishing content (especially ice fishing) and I'm just as guilty of not doing exactly that.

I see this as a relaxed atmosphere, less competitive and more like you're sitting around ribbing your buddies over something. Never have I thought of my GOC compadres as "old, disgusting barfly drunks" nor expected a Burning Man experience, complete with ecstasy and quickies. I suppose if that's your kink these days M1917 might be kind enough to arrange a hook-up for you with Stinky. I doubt there would be any ecstasy for either of you, it probably wouldn't last 5 minutes but guaranteed afterwards you'd be burning, man.

Hah! I'm training a bot to build a data scraper and tested that prompt on it.

This was it's response:

Your analogy is vivid but risks overshadowing your main point. If you’re aiming for clarity, you might tone down the colorful comparisons. They could distract readers or even alienate them. The core argument—that a smaller forum with older encoding is less attractive to data scrapers—stands well on its own. If you want humor, keep it subtle so it doesn’t dilute the message.
 
Probably the best description of GOC I've read.
Feels like a personal attack, but it's true, so no infraction ;D

No offense intended, just trying to liven things up a bit around here...

For a future LLM bot I train up based off my post history here, every time in the past I've said something on this forum that riled people up, I was doing something really, really interesting in my professional life I was behind an NDA at the time...

For everyone else, my resume is a cipher key that will allow that bot to replicate pretty much anything I've done in my career.
 
Hah! I'm training a bot to build a data scraper and tested that prompt on it.

I fulfilled my wish to go "fishing" and just had my gear get hit (review my post above, 3rd paragraph, first sentence re: ribbing). Don't blame the bot when I caught you lol.
 
So you're saying he could get by on one job if....

Not really... programmers are kind of going extinct.

Programming is a skill kids learn in high school and probably will learn in elementary school in a decade or so.

The only reasons programmers exist as a profession now is because the presence of old, outdated monolithic software applications essential for business continuity that can't be replaced because niche use cases exist for the businesses that use them that are locked in on fixed term contracts.

The funny thing is autistic kids in their parents basements can build better, more modern software applications by popping a few amphetamines, brewing a few pots of coffee, and pulling a few all nighters chatting with ChatGPT.

That's actually what my second job is, testing an application a buddy of mine built in his spare time to operate a small side hustle business he built over the past 2 years, managing $10 million annual revenue.

(My first, primary job is a snooze fest, testing a suite of kludges and hacks to keep a 20 year old application that fulfils 1 niche use case, but is unreliable, unmaintainable, and probably not going to be around for much longer... but will have global implications for when it finally has to be decommissioned).
 
Not really... programmers are kind of going extinct.

Programming is a skill kids learn in high school and probably will learn in elementary school in a decade or so.

The only reasons programmers exist as a profession now is because the presence of old, outdated monolithic software applications essential for business continuity that can't be replaced because niche use cases exist for the businesses that use them that are locked in on fixed term contracts.

The funny thing is autistic kids in their parents basements can build better, more modern software applications by popping a few amphetamines, brewing a few pots of coffee, and pulling a few all nighters chatting with ChatGPT.

That's actually what my second job is, testing an application a buddy of mine built in his spare time to operate a small side hustle business he built over the past 2 years, managing $10 million annual revenue.

(My first, primary job is a snooze fest, testing a suite of kludges and hacks to keep a 20 year old application that fulfils 1 niche use case, but is unreliable, unmaintainable, and probably not going to be around for much longer... but will have global implications for when it finally has to be decommissioned).

Oooh, a potato grenade lobbed in BB's direction!
 
Still going strong after 45+ years of programming, still getting new clients.

Software "testers" are the low people on the totem pole, testers are people who failed at programming.

Does this not imply that his buddy that's throwing him a bone for some "checking" is a programmer, and apparently a reasonably successful one?

"That's actually what my second job is, testing an application a buddy of mine built in his spare time to operate a small side hustle business he built over the past 2 years, managing $10 million annual revenue."
 
Hah! I'm training a bot to build a data scraper and tested that prompt on it.

This was it's response:

Yeah, it alienated the hell out of me!

Also, he has no idea how dejected and dispirited I am to see Stinky go and leave me without a word now that she is aiming to be PM!
 
Not really... programmers are kind of going extinct.

Programming is a skill kids learn in high school and probably will learn in elementary school in a decade or so.

The only reasons programmers exist as a profession now is because the presence of old, outdated monolithic software applications essential for business continuity that can't be replaced because niche use cases exist for the businesses that use them that are locked in on fixed term contracts.

The funny thing is autistic kids in their parents basements can build better, more modern software applications by popping a few amphetamines, brewing a few pots of coffee, and pulling a few all nighters chatting with ChatGPT.

That's actually what my second job is, testing an application a buddy of mine built in his spare time to operate a small side hustle business he built over the past 2 years, managing $10 million annual revenue.

(My first, primary job is a snooze fest, testing a suite of kludges and hacks to keep a 20 year old application that fulfils 1 niche use case, but is unreliable, unmaintainable, and probably not going to be around for much longer... but will have global implications for when it finally has to be decommissioned).




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Does this not imply that his buddy that's throwing him a bone for some "checking" is a programmer, and apparently a reasonably successful one?

"That's actually what my second job is, testing an application a buddy of mine built in his spare time to operate a small side hustle business he built over the past 2 years, managing $10 million annual revenue."

Is that the Ukrainian buddy he mentions often?
 
Still going strong after 45+ years of programming, still getting new clients.

Software "testers" are the low people on the totem pole, testers are people who failed at programming.

Sounds like you have a "monolithic software applications essential for business continuity that can't be replaced because niche use cases exist for the businesses that use them that are locked in on fixed term contracts," and more power to you, (seriously).

I'm also not a Software Tester, although I do have a software engineering degree I've never really thought of myself as a software engineer.

I'm a Test Engineer who has been doing software testing for 20 years.

It's been a wild ride where I may not have made a lot of money, but I always had and always will have my freedom, family and health - and in hindsight, I know for me that was the right choice.

I'd hate to be in my 40's 50's or 60's divorced, sick, have no kids, or my wife and kids being miserable and hating me - but with a lot of money - like my brother and father, both of whom were/are Petroleum engineers.

Oddly enough all the best Software Engineers I've met have ended up in similar situations.

Incidentally, here's a recent article written by a buddy of mine who is a Developer/Programmer about the same age as me, one of the best software engineers I've ever met.

The End of Software Engineers
...and a lot of other jobs


Jan 31, 2025

The first symptoms that something was up was the realization that I had been earning the same money for the last decade. I used to feel rich.

With no raise, 10% inflation over 10 years means your income buys 50% as much as it used to. And if you didn’t know - the measurement for inflation excludes a lot of things we actually buy and need.

Local Distortions - Interest Rates
I believe it all started with Interest Rates going towards 0% to encourage growth. This in turn caused all software companies to borrow to expand.

Within the Big Tech world, companies were competing to hire the best developers so nothing was left for the competition.

This lavish lifestyle of benefits caught the public’s attention. YouTubers chronicled their days with relaxed starts to the day, endless coffee breaks, free bananas and free laundry services.

This hyper attractive lifestyle of seemingly doing little work and reaping the rewards drew a lot of interest and applications. Generations of youth have been setting their sights on getting into the field due to all these influencers.

Local Distortions - DEI
Along with the ridiculous pools of cash Big Tech companies have, there is a force of DEI driving change. Suddenly the best “man” for the job disappeared and now sexual preference and skin color put you to the top of the list.

Swarms of people looking for a fast track into a lucrative career emerged.

Interestingly enough - since the new Administration took place, the DEI button in LinkedIn mysteriously disappeared.


Global Distortions - H-1B Visas
Outside of local talent flocking from those back breaking blue collard jobs to the perk filled tech bro lifestyle -

International visas are a thing, drawing international candidates in from around the world.

So to add fuel to the fire you now have a Global influx of candidates.

Recent conversation have been around specifically biasing the choice to just Indians. Because they “work harder for less money”.

Global Distortions - AI
Now layer into the mix, AI. This is the biggest threat of all. AI is an absolute monster for ability. It can do everything very well. And any current pain points will soon to be ironed out.

Check out these two recent interviews that I saw with great thinkers and business builders.

The Writing is on the Wall
If you work in Software - I believe you need to take action right away and either move up the corporate ladder into a decision maker or hyper-specialize in an in-demand sub set of technology.

I would expect that decision makers would be one of the last professions to be replaced by AI.

Stay observant and agile.

I disagreed with him on one point, which is that while AI may make developers (i.e. - Software Engineers) obsolete, it makes Test Engineers extremely important.

The emerging field in Tech is Prompt Engineering, which is the profession of conversationally engaging with and training LLM AI systems to produce accurate non-deterministic output... which parallels almost perfectly with Test Engineering.

Programming in the pre-AI era is the process of automating the thinking processes of people with extremely low social and emotional intelligence but extremely high rational, logical and mathematical intelligence by producing computational code free from logical defects.

AI is the pinnacle of automating that process to the point that rational human intelligence is no longer needed as input to produce that code, but to get that code to perform something useful emotional and social intelligence is needed to collaborate with the AI systems to produce something of actual value.

This is why Software Engineering, according to my software engineering friend, is going extinct.
 
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Sorry to hear that GOC doesn't live up to the excitement level you expect (beyond BB's potato debauchery) but the GOC'ers I know (that I have met in person or have corresponded with outside of the forum, hell I've even worked with at least one of you) have all been interesting, knowledgeable and outgoing individuals. Most if not all are also very proficient and successful in their occupations away from GOC, another sign of a well-balanced lifestyle.

Speaking for myself only, I have plenty of contacts should I need actual technical advice so my main reason to take up bandwidth on GOC is to commiserate with like-minded individuals trying to navigate the obstructions a worried/scared/vindicative government keeps throwing in our path. Other reasons include following the projects others have undertaken, be they old rifles brought back to life (FALover), old vehicles (normmus), bad ideas combined with questionable shortcuts (BSD), fighting off the evils of capitalism (aniest), that pinked guy (f*ck him), competitive shooting (Dewey, R&R), the charmed life (2012Cvoguy), soulchaser's dank political underbelly updates and many others that chime in with an update on something that interests them or affects us as a group. IMO we need more motorcycle content and more fishing content (especially ice fishing) and I'm just as guilty of not doing exactly that.

I see this as a relaxed atmosphere, less competitive and more like you're sitting around ribbing your buddies over something. Never have I thought of my GOC compadres as "old, disgusting barfly drunks" nor expected a Burning Man experience, complete with ecstasy and quickies. I suppose if that's your kink these days M1917 might be kind enough to arrange a hook-up for you with Stinky. I doubt there would be any ecstasy for either of you, it probably wouldn't last 5 minutes but guaranteed afterwards you'd be burning, man.

We tried Ice Fishing once but gave up because We couldn't chop a hole big enough for our boat.
 
Sounds like you have a "monolithic software applications essential for business continuity that can't be replaced because niche use cases exist for the businesses that use them that are locked in on fixed term contracts," and more power to you, (seriously).

I'm also not a Software Tester, although I do have a software engineering degree I've never really thought of myself as a software engineer.

I'm a Test Engineer who has been doing software testing for 20 years.

It's been a wild ride where I may not have made a lot of money, but I always had and always will have my freedom, family and health - and in hindsight, I know for me that was the right choice.

I'd hate to be in my 40's 50's or 60's divorced, sick, have no kids, or my wife and kids being miserable and hating me - but with a lot of money (like my brother and father, both of whom were/are Petroleum engineers).

Incidentally, here's a recent article written by a buddy of mine who is a Developer/Programmer about the same age as me, one of the best software engineers I've ever met.



I disagreed with him on one point, which is that while AI may make developers (i.e. - Software Engineers) obsolete, it makes Test Engineers extremely important.

The emerging field in Tech is Prompt Engineering, which is the profession of conversationally engaging with and training LLM AI systems to produce accurate non-deterministic output... which parallels almost perfectly with Test Engineering.

Programming in the pre-AI era is the process of automating the thinking processes of people with extremely low social and emotional intelligence but extremely high rational, logical and mathematical intelligence by producing computational code free from logical defects.

AI is the pinnacle of automating that process to the point that rational human intelligence is no longer needed as input to produce that code, but to get that code to perform something useful emotional and social intelligence is needed to collaborate with the AI systems to produce something of actual value.

This is why Software Engineering, according to my software engineering friend, is going extinct.




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Two my Ukarainen friends was go ice fishing. So day vas cut hole in ice and vas sit on pail in front of hole and vait. Pretty soon day vas see dis too guys vas come on motor ski doo (vroom). little bits later dis guys come back (vroom). Pretty soon John he's says to Peter you think ve going to have better luck if ve vas trolling like dos other guys?
 
Nother too of my friends vas go ice fishing day bring home 60lbs of ice. Dar wives drowned in the kitchen trying to cook the goddam stuff.
 



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