Transportation questions.

Imo, because there are instructions and conditions on leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle there must have been some anticipation of that.
Time and location of unattendance would become the issue. What would be reasonable.
 
Yogi05 said:
Imo, because there are instructions and conditions on leaving a firearm in an unattended vehicle there must have been some anticipation of that.
Time and location of unattendance would become the issue. What would be reasonable.
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And there is that stupid R word that is so often selectively abused by our courts and bureaucrats. Apparently it is "reasonable" for an LEO to leave firearms overnight in their cars, hence the recent thefts from those cars and no charges for the LEO. But if an ordinary gun owners leaves a gun locked in her vehicle, on her driveway, for 2 hours after getting home, that is "unreasonable" and boom charges.
 
^^ won't disagree.
Also, define reasonable.
A truck driver is used to 1000kms a day, 50kms off route is nothing.
 
I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.
 
aharwood said:
I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.
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What would they be charged with? Extra points if you can even find the actual file.
 
aharwood said:
I heard of a case some time ago when someone had some loose shotgun shells in the cupholder of his car and he was charged for that.
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Better not open the trunk of my buddy SUV. Last time I've seen it. A box of 12 ga broke open and they were rolling around in the back for months.
 
What if you ran out of gas, or your car broke down and had to be towed? Do you leave you pistol in the truck while you go for gas, or bring it with?
 
Roland Deschain said:
What if you ran out of gas, or your car broke down and had to be towed? Do you leave you pistol in the truck while you go for gas, or bring it with?
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If it's towed, then leave it in the case, and when the taxi shows up bring it with you in the taxi.
If you walk for gas, then leave it in the truck.

FirearmsActRegulations said:
Transportation of Restricted Firearms

11 An individual may transport a restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device;

(c) it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation; and

(d) if it is in a container described in paragraph (c) that is in an unattended vehicle,

(i) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the container is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked, and

(ii) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the vehicle, or the part of the vehicle that contains the container, is securely locked and the container is not visible from outside the vehicle.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/sor-98-209/page-2.html#h-1020008
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Chris Wyat was asked at the range operators meeting in Ontario If I live in the north and work in the south and my gun club is in the east can I take my gun with me to work and go to the range after. His comment was it sounds like a reasonable thing to do.
 
Nowhere in the law does it say you can't stop at work. The law speaks of the route, not the stops, including the length of time I'd said stop.
 
awndray said:
Nowhere in the law does it say you can't stop at work. The law speaks of the route, not the stops, including the length of time I'd said stop.
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I shoot every Friday.. Well almost every Friday now. Bunch of us we stop off at the Big stop after shooting. For a bite to eat and a coffee. It's basically at the end of the road leading to the range, and next to the off ramp to get back to the highway. One is a retired RCMP and quite by the law. If it was truly illegal. He would let us know.
 
Exactly.

I shoot with a number of LEO fellas, both active and retired, traffic enforcement, ERT and white collar crime. They don't advertise their occupation, nor to they abuse their authority. They have a lot to lose by breaking the law.
 
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Just received my RPAL renewal, came with the following transportation conditions. My previous simply stated something along the lines of special conditions may apply. So I guess no special ATT to take for service or to other ranges.

Special conditions

These licence conditions authorize the transport of restricted and/or prohibited firearms registered to the licence holder within their province by a route that, in all circumstances, is reasonably direct for the specific intended purposes.
Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited handguns (12(6.1) possessed for the purpose of target practice to and from all shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms Act.
Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from any place a peace officer, firearms officer or chief firearms officer is located for verification, registration or disposal in accordance with the Firearms Act or Part III of the Criminal Code.
Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a business that holds a licence authorizing it to repair or appraise prohibited or restricted firearms.
Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to and from a gun show.
Transport of restricted firearms and/or prohibited firearms to a port of exit, in order to take them outside Canada and from a port of entry.
 
that is standard legal mumbo jumbo since I got my PAL.
 
Yup. Standard legalese that most R/PAL holders throw out when they receding their card. There's a thread or twelve about it.
 
Did the change to the transport (STATT) in C71 kick in with the royal assent, or is that on hold until it's published in the gazette as well?

I know the verification of PAL is in limbo till then...
 
Run 'n' Gun said:
Did the change to the transport (STATT) in C71 kick in with the royal assent, or is that on hold until it's published in the gazette as well?

I know the verification of PAL is in limbo till then...
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The LTAATTC (long term automatic authorization to transport conditions) change is on hold until coming-into-force date is announced in the gazette.

As far as I know, the only thing that went live with royal assent was that Quebec could ask for the data. To my knowledge they haven't done that yet, but the Quebec Minister of Public Safety doesn't keep me in the loop. :(
 
Thanks RB, I thought that was the case.

I have a a couple of toys to take to the LGS, I wasn't sure if i needed a dam STATT for a 20 minutes show 'n' tell...
 
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