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Hey all, few quick questions about firearm transportation.

Say, i plan to go to a range after work, can i bring my restricted firearm with me (Of course locked in a case with trigger lock attached & in the trunk) then go to the range after work?

Or do i have to get home to pickup my gun after work then head over to the range?

Also, another case scenario, if i want to go to the range with my friends in one car,

is it ok to have my guns in the trunk (Locked in case) and go pick up my friend who brings his own guns then head to the range?

Some ppl told me that i must head over to the range straight back and forth only from home, without any detours.
 
No you cannot not. You must store them at home, and after work travel and pick them up. Your ATT does not cover your place of work.

Yes picking up a friend while heading to the range is fine. I stop for a bite to eat and a coffee. Before I head home from the range on Friday nights.
 
Thanks for clarifying! Much appreciated!

Just one more question, is hardshell ammo box a must when im heading to the range or can i just use any bag to carry ammo?
 
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You don't need to transport ammo in one case vs. Another. You're not required to lock up ammo fitting transport either. You're required to keep non restricted empty and restricteds empty and locked up double.

I use the same backpack for ammo as I use as a carry on when I fly. Needless to say I check real carefulill for loose rounds before I go to the airport.
 
JB1103 said:
Thanks for clarifying! Much appreciated!

Just one more questions, is hardshell ammo box a must when im heading to the range or can i just use any bag to carry ammo?
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Any bag. 98% of the guys I shoot with just throws it in whatever ( PB jar, to proper ammo dividers ) and into a range bag. As long as the gun being transported by law. It doesn't matter.
 
RobertMcC said:
No you cannot not. You must store them at home, and after work travel and pick them up. Your ATT does not cover your place of work.

Yes picking up a friend while heading to the range is fine. I stop for a bite to eat and a coffee. Before I head home from the range on Friday nights.
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I always thought this was silly. It will cover my hotel room when traveling to shoots in other cities but won't cover my vehicle in my own city.

That being said I am probably one of the lucky few whose ATT does allow me to take his restricted firearms to work but still :P

Greglc said:
Rcmp freind of mine I shot with said, " direct route, no stopping at canadian tire for ammo "
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One thing I've learned, never ask an RCMP Officer about Firearms Law ;)
 
Drache said:
I always thought this was silly. It will cover my hotel room when traveling to shoots in other cities but won't cover my vehicle in my own city.

That being said I am probably one of the lucky few whose ATT does allow me to take his restricted firearms to work but still :P

One thing I've learned, never ask an RCMP Officer about Firearms Law ;)
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Yeah but you work at a gun store, so your ATT covers that.

I don't ask officers firearm laws. I ask them would you charge someone if they did this?
 
RobertMcC said:
Yeah but you work at a gun store, so your ATT covers that.
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Well it's because we are a gunsmithing shop foremost that allows me to take my guns to work to give them a nice bath while listening to some Barry Manilow.

But it all shows you how much of a joke the ATT system is.

"No your ATT does not allow you to keep your guns locked up inside your vehicle while at work for 8 hours. We don't care if you have to travel an hour to work, then back an hour, then drive again past work for another hour to go to the range! Oh you're traveling to a different city for a couple days? Go right ahead then!"
 
Drache said:
Well it's because we are a gunsmithing shop foremost that allows me to take my guns to work to give them a nice bath while listening to some Barry Manilow.

But it all shows you how much of a joke the ATT system is.

"No your ATT does not allow you to keep your guns locked up inside your vehicle while at work for 8 hours. We don't care if you have to travel an hour to work, then back an hour, then drive again past work for another hour to go to the range! Oh you're traveling to a different city for a couple days? Go right ahead then!"
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Whole firearm system is a joke.
 
Drache said:
Well it's because we are a gunsmithing shop foremost that allows me to take my guns to work to give them a nice bath while listening to some Barry Manilow.
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So do you listen to Barry Manilow, or do you crank it for the benefit of your guns and leave the room?
 
"...never ask an RCMP Officer..." Or any other cop. What you'll get is their opinion only.
Any conditions to your ATT should be on it. However, there are automatic conditions attached already. This RCMP 2 Sept. 2015 bulletin says, "...is reasonably direct for the specific indicated purposes." No mention of no stops at Crappy Tire or anywhere else as being evil.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/notice-avis-2015-09-eng.htm#a2
 
Reasonably Direct … stops
There is no case law of which I'm aware. That doesn't mean there isn't a judge describing it, just that I've never written it down.
To me, reasonably direct means that :
- the route itself is not significantly longer in time or distance than the shortest route, including traffic issues (if the highway is rush hour, driving further down back roads is now the reasonably direct route).
- anything necessary to the drive is ok. If you're running out of gas, you can fill up. If you need to pee, you can pull over someplace to use the rest room
- all drive through's are fine. You never get out of the car, and might not even turn the engine off, and if you could you'd be rolling just like at a traffic light. (thermos of coffee for the duck blind, hot hamburgers for everyone before the afternoon's hunting/hiking begins)
- for long trips, stopping at a motel to sleep for the night, is still transport and the most reasonably direct route.
- stopping at Canadian tire to fix a flat, or deal with a dashboard indicator (low radiator coolant, low tire pressure) is ok. Otherwise the car would fail which would cause a situation.


Going a different direction (to work) is a no no.

Anything that in a judge's mind, or a reasonable jury of your countrymen, that would change it from 'transported' to some other state, is out. For example the lady who drove home but didn't take the firearm out of the car fast enough for the judge's liking (a couple hours I think), although she felt the firearm was still in transport, he decided it was being unsafely stored. Going food shopping for an hour always seemed to me to fall into that category.
 
Greglc said:
Rcmp freind of mine I shot with said, " direct route, no stopping at canadian tire for ammo "
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Doesn't mean nothing. We got a former RCMP officer that shoots with us. He stops for coffee and a bite to eat after we shoot.
 
Correct me if I am wrong here but I just read the section of the Firearms Act on transportation of restricted. NOWHERE does it say ANYTHING about a route of ANY kind. it just says where you can take them.
The reasonably direct is most likely a CFO thing like being a member of a range.
If it was ONLY from home to the range and back with "thou shalt not stop" and "thou shalt not even leave the vehicle to pee" the Canadian RESTRICTED Firearms Safety Course wouldn't have the section on leaving a restricted in an unattended vehicle.
I wouldn't go to the West Edmonton Mall and leave a gun in the car that's for sure BUT if you aren't going to have it out in the parking lot at work, showing all your friends, who is going to know?
 
greywolf67nt said:
The reasonably direct is most likely a CFO thing like being a member of a range.
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I believe that's in Regulation SOR-98/206 s.4: "A chief firearms officer who issues an authorization to transport shall attach to it the condition that the firearm be transported by a route that, in all the circumstances, is reasonably direct."

and, here's a legal comment

Included in those regulations is a requirement that the route taken by the firearms owner, from home to range and back or from home to gunsmith and back or from home to border crossing and back, be reasonably direct in the circumstances. This is an area of law that has yet to be litigated, so there is no jurisprudence on it. All we have is that requirement on its face.
If Mr. Trudeau were asking me for legal advice, I would tell him that going to the grocery store with your pistol in your trunk is not reasonably direct in the circumstance.
-- Solomon Friedman, Firearms Law Expert, June 10, 2015, https://sencanada.ca/en/Content/Sen/Committee/412/LCJC/33ev-52219-e

The travel from your home to a shooting range or a shooting competition always has to be the most direct route. You don't have to map it out, but law enforcement will have to do what they do every day, which is exercise common sense in their judgment to map that out. But that's a requirement in law; it always has to be the most direct route.
-- Kathy Thompson, Assistant Deputy Minister, Community Safety & Countering Crime Branch, Public Safety Canada, June 10, 2015, https://sencanada.ca/en/Content/Sen/Committee/412/LCJC/33ev-52219-e


greywolf67nt said:
If it was ONLY from home to the range and back with "thou shalt not stop" and "thou shalt not even leave the vehicle to pee" the Canadian RESTRICTED Firearms Safety Course wouldn't have the section on leaving a restricted in an unattended vehicle.
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Good point.
Nonetheless, just because one law allows something, doesn't mean another law doesn't disallow it. We have to be in compliance with them all.
 
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